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[Rant] I swear to fucking god. Windows is harder to use than Linux. Have any of you ever USED Windows lately? Holy fuck. (lemmy.world)

submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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I'm helping a family member build a pc. He wanted to use Windows because "Linux can't play games" despite me having a perfectly good gaming laptop running Linux that runs all my games, even graphically intensive ones.

2 days later, no game has been played yet. We can't even get steam to start. I even installed Arch on a sata ssd I donated just to verify the pc parts actually work (took less than an hour). It took 1 and a half days to even get the Windows 11 installer to get past like the 3rd screen.

Fucking fuck. Dealing with all this fucking bullshit is far worse than not being able to play a few trashy anticheat pay 2 win games. The anti Linux circlejerk is real.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I cant tell if people in this thread are trolls, ultra elite linux shills, or just people incapable of following simple instructions...

Like I get it, windows bad or w/e... But to act like it takes longer than an hour or two to install it, let alone 2 whole fucking days is just asinine.

Imagine having enough of a skill issue that it takes you 2 days to install Windows OS. The OS that idiot proofs itself by literally holding your hand on every option and walks you through itself to install.

Im not even joking, I re-install and have installed windows the past few years multiple times on personal devices for myself and my family and friends and even do it for professional devices and servers for my job. It is brain dead easy, enough that my tech illiterate grandparents managed to re-install it before I could make the drive to meet them and do it for them... I can't take this OP or anyone else seriously if they can manage to install a linux based OS but somehow have 2 days worth of trouble with Windows OS...

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

OP is just wanting to shit on Windows because this is a Linux community.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yes, it's bad

If you're on the happy path all is well. The smoothest shit ever. If you turn onto the unhappy path.. oh boy. Helpful logs? Useful community posts from SMEs? Meh no. Best I can do is a plate of irrelevant copy-pasta on a malware-ridden site, SEOd to the top.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago (5 children)

People have trouble installing Windows? You enter a license key and click next a couple times.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

It's a joke post. Which makes it extra funny, and quite sad, how many of the comment seem to think it's serious and are unironically chiming in with complaints.

OPs username is "Peter Poopshit", I wouldn't take anything they post seriously.

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

You missed the part where you either sign in with your Microsoft account or cut your Internet, remove the webcam, fake your own death, and do the secret tap code in the bios to just have the OS without letting Microsoft into your butthole.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I just use the Konami code and it bypasses so that. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[+] [email protected] -6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

Windows 11 doesn't force you do any of that. Just skip the sign in. Your points were valid in 8/10 era but no more.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I just installed 11 recently. There isn't a skip button anymore. I had to enter fake sign in details for it to give me the "offline" option.

So it seems like their point may still stand.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

That's not accurate. The new versions of Windows 11 make you restart the OOBE with a flag to disable the MS login requirement. His points also weren't valid during the 8/10 era, because back then you could just click offline experience at the bottom left. You didn't even need to disable WiFi, just don't connect.

Edit: Seems Pro lets you install without an account, home does not. Most of the laptops I've worked on come with home.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It depends on the version, but yes, it does. It's especially a problem on prebuilt machines and laptops. It is incredibly annoying to work with in a corporate environment. Our helpdesk tech comes to me with issues related to this probably three times a week. I gave up with work arounds and we just have a throwaway Microsoft account now.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Rufus has workarounds for the mandatory login.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Who is this Rufus fellow? Is he like Tux?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Windows app for flashing ISOs to your USB. It provides additional options for flashing Windows 11.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Not true. 11 very much still forces you to use an MS account.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (4 children)

There is a secret command you can do to setup without Internet. But they hide it on the startup command line.

On the “Oops, you’ve lost internet connection” or “Let’s connect you to a network” page, use the “Shift + F10” keyboard shortcut.

In Command Prompt, type the OOBE\BYPASSNRO command to bypass network requirements on Windows 11 and press Enter.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

You can just enter a fake Microsoft account and password. When it doesn't work, it gives the option to continue with an offline account (or at least whatever version I installed did)

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Very much doesn't my guy.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Home won't let you do domain join, I think you have to go halfway through setup then select local account.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Why would absolutely anyone on this sub install Home? Microsoft themselves make a multi-edition .iso available on their website. And funnily enough now, Microsoft supports the hosting of massgravel. Should it take as many steps as it does two make a local account? No, but it's literally two extra clicks.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

We are talking about a product not for ourselves. Pro is twice the price of home as well.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Try doing it on a b650 motherboard that's so new the windows installer doesn't even have the correct ahci drivers

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I bought a Ryzen 7 7800X3D and an Asrock X670E, I was upgrading and just transferred my Windows install but still.... No issues.

I'm no huge fan of Windows, but it sounds like you had (No offense) PEBKAC errors.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I’m no huge fan of Windows, but it sounds like you had (No offense) PEBKAC errors.

I think so too and no offense meant to OP as well.

I am an early adopter of all things tech and so I had a Gigabyte Xtreme X670E mobo on pretty much day 1 to go with a 7950X. Everything worked fine on both Windows 11 and Linux despite being a pimped-up mobo and brand new CPU. At this much later date, OP's B650 mobo should be working without a hitch, especially with Windows (and almost certainly with Linux as well).

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Sorry, could you repeat that? Slower, if possible

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

They’re wrong, of course.

You don’t have to enter a license key.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

People have trouble installing Windows? You enter a license key and click next a couple times.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

What were you doing? The windows 11 install is so simple compared to even the windows 7 one. Where you messing with things to bypass the Microsoft login or something?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

No, its a b650 motherboard and the windows installer didn't even have the right nvme ahci drivers for it. I tried about 8 different flash drives and fat32,exfat and ntfs until I found one that the windows installer would actually install the drivers with.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Windows and Apple both capitalize on most folks lack of minimal tech savviness plus being creatures of habit. So much so, Apple gave away laptops to numerous Silicon Valley highschool classes in the mid 2000's, just to entrench them into the system.

I've been using Linux for a few years now and I still randomly think about what took me this long to switch. It's how an OS should be made. It can simply be installed and used out the gate or it can be tinkered with to make an ideal setup. Not to mention the lack of invasive tracking. Windows is so bad it's more complete monitoring of the users than tracking.

Regardless, August 2023 to August 2024 will definitely be the year of the Linux desktop! /s

[–] [email protected] 54 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Can't tell if this is a shitpost or not

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

In my experience, installation of Win or Lin has been pretty easy. Lin has less options to opt out of (I like) than windows, but windows set everything up just fine. The only time I ever had issues on either is if I try to install without an active ether net connected. If I don't have the os update during install, I run into random driver issues on either os.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Linux users on Lemmy: People who don't run Linux are just bad with computers and shouldn't be using a computer at all!

Also Linux users on Lemmy: Anyone else is unable to install windows from scratch?

😘👌

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

It has to be, windows makes it super easy to install so they can get your data faster.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Me neither. Linux is my main Operating System but... We can't generalize one Windows experience just like we can't generalize one Linux experience.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I agree with this. I use Linux exclusively at home, but for work I have a windows laptop. It’s really not that bad. I for sure don’t like it as much, but it isn’t atrocious.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

It's a lot easier to do the former than the latter. Windows fixes a lot of things about the experience, but maybe not the exact flavoring / theming.

Linux you can't say anything about the experience besides sweeping generalizations by distro.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I would reccommend you to not install W11, but install W10 instead. It's more stable with all sorts of hardware.

Also this could indicate an issue with the drive you're going to install the OS on. Could you run some checks on the disk itself for failed sectors?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It worked fine on Arch. I finally found a flash drive and filesystem combination that the windows installer would both see and install when I put the manufacturer's Windows 11 64 bit ahci drivers on. It was a scandisk usb 3.0 mini thumb drive and ntfs in case anyone was wondering. I have 7 other usb flash drives at my disposal, most of them I could see but not install the drivers and I tried ntfs, exfat and fat32 before giving up on each flash drive.

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