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In an unexpected mask off "secure" email and VPN provider Proton took the stance of siding with the fascist MAGA Reps. Proton's services are no option for me and many others any longer. Let's collect and discuss alternatives (E2E encrypted email and VPN) here πŸ”πŸ‘‡

Always try to provide:

-Server location (jurisdiction)

-Governance

-Integrity/trustworthiness/transparency

-User experience/ease of use (grade 1 to 10, lets take Proton as a benchmark with an 8)

-Pricing and links

If you know alternative setups, feel free to share, too.

#ProtonExodus

Background: https://lemmy.ca/comment/13913116

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 28 minutes ago (1 children)

I'm currently on Tuta, because I can't imagine Mail without a free tier. It's run out of Germany(EU). Its 3€ a month for the normal tier, free takes away most features. Like Proton, you need to use their (OSS)-Client, for encryption reasons. It's currently growing and I hope they don't go crazy anytime soon.

I was looking at Posteo, but I don't want my entire internet identity to be gone, if I ever can't pay for it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 13 minutes ago
[–] [email protected] 1 points 53 minutes ago

So literally one guy can change your entire network lifestyle?

[–] [email protected] -4 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 57 minutes ago) (2 children)

Apple has recently declared that they're keeping their DEI programs in contrast to other tech companies, so I suppose Lemmy crowd would approve that? Their CEO being openly gay since 2014 probably works as some sort of a guarantee, at least as long as he keeps being the CEO.

So I'll suggest: Apple hardware + icloud. User experience (with apple hardware) 10/10. Pricing: Hardware price + monthly cost. Integrity: who knows, but they seem to deriving their income from their devices more than many other things.

Monthly cost depends on geographical location and storage size, but in EU area per month:

  • 5GB is free
  • 50GB = 1 euro
  • 200GB = 3 euros
  • 2TB = 10 euros

That storage and cost can be shared with up to 5 family members.

I used this for a long time and it worked really really well. But it really does practically depend on having Apple devices, preferably on every level. I recently moved to Proton because I wanted to move to Linux, but I do miss the UX and reliability quite a lot. Icloud's web service isn't bad though but wasn't good enough for me.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 minutes ago* (last edited 7 minutes ago)

If anything I'd say that the lesson to be learned from this should be the exact opposite: No company is safe forever, so you should choose based on how easy it is to switch.

Chaining yourself to a single company all the way from the services you use down to the OS and even the hardware is only making it worse. Particularly when Apple is already aggressively anti-consumer on a lot of fronts.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 55 minutes ago (1 children)

Given that Tim Cook is donating a million dollars to the rapist’s inauguration, I can’t agree:

https://www.axios.com/2025/01/03/tim-cook-apple-donate-1-million-trump-inauguration

[–] [email protected] 2 points 54 minutes ago* (last edited 35 minutes ago) (1 children)

wtf

Is that for real? Do companies always make such donations to new presidents or is this a new thing specifically for Trump?

edit Apparently this is typical and has been done with many earlier presidents, regardless of political party

[–] [email protected] 2 points 49 minutes ago (1 children)

I can’t speak for how things have been historically (I actually try to stay out of politics usually). But right now, there are plenty of news stories about a lot of companies/CEOs/Tech Bros who are contributing to Trump, apparently hoping to win his favor and protect their businesses/profits.

Disgusting IMO!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 35 minutes ago* (last edited 34 minutes ago)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 hour ago

Thank fuck I didn't get that subscription, I was looking into getting a secure mail service. I engaged with people calling proton a CIA honeypot, investigating what was up with the rumors and I was about to jump into bed with proton.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 hour ago

Just looking for a free alternative..

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

I've said it in another thread: German users should consider posteo as a green, safe, and affordable (1€/M) alternative. https://posteo.de/de

[–] [email protected] 1 points 26 minutes ago (1 children)

Never used it. Is there a reason why you mention German users, in specific?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 13 minutes ago

No, anyone can use it, payed plans only though (1€ p month min)

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 hours ago

Remember when businesses stayed the fuck out of politics so they didn't alienate their customers because they like money? Pepperidge Farms remembers.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 hours ago

Does DisRoot count ? It has a myriad of services that are all FOSS tools Has a "Hub-App" on Fdroid

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 hours ago

I swear by Njalla, which is run by Peter Sunde

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

It seems there aren't any exact replacements, but this probably lists service providers to consider: https://www.privacyguides.org/en/email/

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

Are you one of those TechLore punks ? Use privacytools

[–] [email protected] 1 points 16 minutes ago

https://www.privacyguides.org/en/about/privacytools/

privacytools is dogshit now, the original owner made it into a promotional VPN shill website and every single contributor, admin, mod, etc from the former privacytools now is under privacyguides

[–] [email protected] 1 points 25 minutes ago (1 children)

privacytools.io is full of affiliate links and PG has shit tech bro recommendations like Brave browser

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 minutes ago

tech bro recommendations like Brave browser

I'm never gonna recommend librewolf/mullvad browser/whatever is popular these days to a coworker, even if I daily drive them. Do you know what I did suggest to them, and they actually switched to it from chrome? Brave.

It's not the best, it's not the most powerful, but being able to say "it's chrome but without ads" is a major selling point, especially with non tech savy people who don't want their cookies cleared on every restart

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Yo so question for y'alls: what's your opinion on using custom domain (for portability) vs masked emails?

Rn I have my main emails on my personal domain, and then I have masked emails going through [email protected] for more anonymity + segmenting (err i mean just being able to disable a certain address individually) . But watching all this reminded me that if I decided to move away from fastmail, i'm much more locked-in this way. Do y'alls use a custom domain for masked email as well? The one thing I don't like about that is that it'd be so easy to connect multiple accounts based on domain, so anonymity is probably kinda broken.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 minutes ago* (last edited 8 minutes ago)

I use a custom domain for basically all emails since I care more about portability than anonymity. Each account gets its own address, and if a site gets hacked and I start getting spam then I know which one it was. If I really wanted anonymity for something then I would use a randomly generated masked email.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 hours ago

Trump's terrible politics aside:

  1. the Republican party is pushing legislation which requires you to identify yourself to view porn

  2. you can get around this with a VPN

  3. proton is a VPN (nonprofit, but still).

I'll be switching email providers when I can... I can't remember when my subscription ends.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 5 hours ago

Abandoning the Proton subscription now. How stupid and irresponsible. In fact, are running away from all your principles.

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