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Not a bad response, except you had to throw in some western liberal garbage about SWERFS and SWERFiness. Opposition to the sex trade is the standard line of every Marxist-Leninist country; perhaps anarchists have a different perspective, but since their most successful revolutionary efforts to date have been CHAZ and that one commune in Catalonia that lasted all of two weeks, we can safely disregard their opinion as irrelevant. We Marxists support sex workers, in that we see them as hyper-exploited by capitalism and wish to remove their exploitation. We do not support sex work as such. We aim to do for sex workers what the CPC has done: namely, give them jobs and vocational training, and extend to them the opportunity for a dignified, human life. Orgasms do not increase the productive forces.
The disingenuousness of the liberal defense of sex work lies in the fact that the average woman involved in the trade is not a middle-class kinkster selling videos on OnlyFans. The average sex worker is much more likely to have been trafficked, to have been raped, and if she has actually taken up prostitution of her own free will, to have done so because she had (or felt she had) no other options. Working-class people know the reality of the sex trade, that it is an ugly, horrible thing. I challenge you to defend prostitution to the typical worker. You will not get very far. Liberals know this, which is why they don't even try; rather, they are content to smugly call the average worker "patriarchal," "sexist," "traitor to women," and so on, when all that worker wants is not to be trafficked, or to keep their wife, girlfriend, mother, sister, friend, out of the clutches of a predatory industry.
But seriously, I thought we had left this debate behind on reddit? Fix your attitude toward women, and get a girlfriend, ya horny losers.
I'm not trying to argue or anything here
But I'd like to say that I do enjoy the part of like Giving a person an orgasm or like, getting to know their body
And I know that it doesn't actually produce anything
But I'd like to feel like ive done something more helpful for the world than survive a little longer I guess
And I guess I didn't realize that some people dont mean what I mean when I say legalize the sex industry which is that the individual women should be making decisions about it and protected by law or like, safe houses, whereas any pimping is imprisonable. That being said though, I do want the industry to dwindle, cuz like just having enough money and doing orgies would obvs be much better than this.
I wanna give people love and pleasure, and some part of me feels like that has value, but it feels like the money truncates those feelings for them. I guess the best way to give back physically would be like a sex-worker only hotel they could live in semi-permanently. I tend to help people with sexual trauma, so it would be nice if I could still do that.
I suppose that would suggest I might make a good therapist, so that would be a nice career path outside of the industry if I didn't have so much tech education already.
Sorry for the ramble, I just felt like a bad leftist for doing this kind of work
You have absolutely nothing to be ashamed of, and it's disgusting that bigoted prudes like JucheBot1988 worm their way into ML (or general leftist) movements and instigate this kind of unnecessary shame. You are a worker, you have every right to be proud of the real work you do, and there is nothing wrong, certainly nothing shameful, about enjoying your work to whatever degree you do. Just as all workers, sex workers can both find enjoyment in their work and rightfully lament the ways in which that work is exploited under capitalism. And like any other form of work, there is nothing inherently exploitative about sex work itself, but again, only how it operates under the capitalist mode. I'm sure I'm not telling you anything you don't already know, but personally, I find that these kind of reassurances and solidarity from comrades can go a long ways in reminding me that I also have nothing to be ashamed of with respect to my own past work. Especially when sexist SWERFs start going off on their slimy tirades.
Please do not listen to fools like JucheBot1988. They have an agenda, and it's gross, but that doesn't mean you (or anyone reading) need to take their reactionary bile to heart. Notice how they weaseled their pet issue prudery into a completely unrelated post, and the outright sexist implication that women are incapable of enjoying expressing their sexuality online. lol. It really is laughable, actually. They have some weird fucking issues, but do not let that effect you or cause you to feel any shame whatsoever. They're no more worth listening to than chud transphobes and racists are.
Meanwhile most of us, certainly myself, only want to express solidarity, empathy, and compassion for our fellow workers like you.
I repent, and denounce the other disgusting bigoted prudes who have wormed their way into the socialist movement! Prudes like
and so on. It is true that most of the leaders on this list have built their countries into economic powerhouses with full worker control, and one of them (Xi Jinping) leads the country that is the economic engine of the entire world. But that nothing, I suppose, compared to what western Marxists have achieved sitting in the comfort of their easy chair. All hail comrade Dirt_Possum, who leads the glorious People's Republic of the West^TM^! (Free Taiwan and Slava Ukraini, and let's put up yet another version of the map showing China as "East Turkmenistan").
While can make an argument this is true, it is at this point in time extremely academic, since the sex trade is not in any sense necessary, and it is hyper-exploitative. Generally the only people I hear making it are out-of-touch liberal college professors, and johns who want to justify their buying of sex: "dude, when I'm paying this homeless transwoman trump change for a bj, I'm really no different from a regular small business owner! It's capitalism, baby, not me! Rad!"
And yet you were the one who felt the need to derail a thread about electoralism into a conversation about sex. Nice work, Mr. Freud.