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[–] [email protected] -5 points 1 week ago (32 children)

They had a reason to vote.

Their reason was that a rapist fascist who quoted Hitler and clearly has dementia that promised to deport millions of people and be a dictator on day one only had a 50/50 chance of being president.

And they didn't care because they didn't like Kamala Harris much. Was she any of those things? No. But her boss is funding the same genocide in Israel that Trump said to Netanyahu "finish the job" about on national television, so no one better vote for her either!

Sorry, not a good enough reason to not stop Trump. Not a good enough reason to refuse to vote. Not a good enough reason to vote third party.

For fuck's sake, do you think people voted for Joe Biden in 2020 because they thought he would be a terrific president?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago (31 children)

do you think people voted for Joe Biden in 2020 because they thought he would be a terrific president?

they voted for Biden because he made meaningful concessions to the progressive caucus. He gave Bernie a prominent roll in his campaign and made promises about student loan forgiveness and raising the minimum wage, on top of affirming people's anxiety about covid and a pledge to address it.

Harris had none of that. She didn't primary against progressive candidates, didn't have to address progressive concerns, and when there was vocal opposition to any of her policies she said "excuse me, i'm speaking". She was more right-moderate than Biden was, even if only because she didn't face the progressive primary he did.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 1 week ago (19 children)

You still don't get it.

It isn't about voting for Harris.

It's about voting against Trump.

You can give me all sorts of reasons why Harris wasn't an appealing candidate. It's not relevant. Trump was a clear and present danger.

I don't give a shit about whether or not people liked her or whatever their idealistic reasons not to vote for her were. None of them justify allowing Trump to take office by refusing stop him from doing it. That is on people who refused to vote or vote third party. You were not going to get the candidate you wanted this year. You were a fool if you didn't know that.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'm going to suggest this book as some personal reading on this issue. But the point I would more broadly make is that running exclusively oppositional candidates does not work, and I would say that's probably because they don't really present a clear vision of the future, they only present opposition to something rhetorically. By opposing something in that way, you sort of, only serve to reinforce that thing. Only define yourself in relation to it.

That's also not really to speak about how she legitimately presented an incredibly conservative face to her campaign, and if that's the case, people would just vote for the guy who's actually just conservative.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

Running any candidates will not work anymore. There will be no real elections anymore.

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