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It's in the prolewiki article: https://en.prolewiki.org/wiki/Party_for_Socialism_and_Liberation
I saw two relevant links there.
This one is an account of someone who helped someone else accuse a PSL member of misogyny and sexual misconduct. The author later accuses the PSL of trying to cover this up. The accusation appears to be:
Taking all of this at face value, it's one accusation that rises to the level of something the PSL would want to investigate (one member coercing another into unprotected sex) and a mix of things I'm not sure an organization needs to investigate at all (cheating, being drunk at night).
I haven't read the entire post, but I did read the text screenshots the author provided of conversations they had with the PSL. It looks like the PSL investigators kept asking for documentation relevant to the accusations (addition screenshots) that didn't seem to be provided, and aren't included in this tell-all post. If you start an investigation, ask for corroboration the accuser says exists, and they don't provide it, I don't think it's a cover up if you close the investigation.
This is the second link, but it's not working well enough for me to read it.
This whole thing reeks of anarchist-style wrecking, and ppl elevating a relationship breakup to try to take down a nationwide party.
Yeah. And honestly western intel loves using progressive sounding things to attack the left. They used fabricated rape allegations to try and extradite Assange for instance and if I was part of western intelligence it would be a go-to as it's just obviously so useful.
Now I'm sure it does happen, maybe PSL even has a big problem with it, maybe but on the other hand a certain skepticism is necessary balanced with the knowledge that for example Trots tend to form cults full of sexual abuse and predation. Any time you have members romancing and having sexual relations with others you're going to eventually end up with drama and accusations from people hurting each other intentionally or not and lashing out harshly in the aftermath of that hurt. Add in western intelligence, wreckers who aren't even paid, etc and you have a formula for disaster.
Isn't it interesting too that this thread pops up on election day when many here and linked instances might be thinking of voting for PSL's candidates? A little propaganda push at the last minute to push people to vote Democrat instead. The timing is unacceptable and I think for that reason it reeks of manipulation and even would be fair target for a lock and sinking until the election is over as the time to bring this up was a week ago as we've been discussing supporting PSL's candidate for months and only now is this deployed for maximum damage and disillusionment.
In fact that's what I suggest. Locking this and banning discussion on it until this evening. These people are attempting to cause the drama and dissuade people from voting for the only socialist, anti-imperialist party on the ballot is disgusting behavior. If people had issues they had plenty of time in the lead-up to vent while giving PSL's supporters time to respond. Instead this is deployed at the 11th hour to obviously suppress enthusiasm for the party on the ballot in the US on vote day. That's wrecker behavior, that's bad faith.
Actually you're right, my apologies.
Any acknowledgement of fucking rape is actually just a cynical ploy to make a party that was never going to win the election lose the election.
Quoting here because this person admits they delete most of their comments after a week and I want context for my replies.
Calm the fuck down. Stop acting foolish.
There is a time and place for all things. Any other day, any day outside of today and maybe yesterday. Most of the year is an appropriate time. This day of all days is not okay. Cry about it because for one lousy day or two I think it's inappropriate to air this stuff given it doesn't even personally involve violations by the candidates and is just hurting them by association.
I don't think that's extreme. Given these are not new accusations, dredging them up at this moment is clearly sabotage meant to harm the votes they get and enthusiasm for the party and the larger movement. Again, it's fine to discuss these at a reasonable time and place. Unlike the Democrats whose reasonable time and place for dissension from their party is a few weeks every 2 years between midterms the time for this IMO is just about every day except election day and the days immediately before it. There have been months of time to bring this up during which I wouldn't bring these accusations, if they made these 24 hours later I also wouldn't care. But they didn't do that. They deployed them strategically at the worst possible moment. And when they've had all this time, months and months and years to discuss this given it wasn't a surprise Cruz is who we're voting for and she's PSL the fact they waited until now is not right.
I need to calm down, but you feel comfortable calling multiple people here federal agents? For acknowledging things that have been public knowledge for literal years?
If PSL wanted this to not be brought up at inconvenient times, they could've worked with every party until they were satisfied. You can't leave a sore festering, and then get upset when it gets picked at at an inconvenient time.
Dawg, fuck you.
This was asked by an account that's been here for damn near a year, and I'm the only person even showing lukewarm criticism of PSL. I've been here for 2+ years.
No one even says they dislike PSL here. I voted for them!
Absolutely go fuck yourself.