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Israel could kill everyone left in Northern Gaza if its assault on the enclave continues, a United Nations relief official warned on Saturday

“Hospitals have been hit, and health workers have been detained. Shelters have been emptied and burned down. First responders have been prevented from saving people from under the rubble. Families have been separated, and men and boys are being taken away by the truckload,”

Msuya estimated that Israel’s actions in the north had killed hundreds and displaced tens of thousands. According to Al Jazeera, an Israeli siege on the north that began earlier in October has killed around 640.

“The Biden-Harris administration must stop the flow of U.S. weapons to Israel which constitutes a necessary step to halting Israel’s ongoing war crimes,” IMEU wrote on social media Saturday. “It’s time for an arms embargo now.”

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (18 children)

Most probably suspect it's genocide and know they, by not speaking out, at least support it passively. But it just doesn't matter for their immediate or the near future, so nothing will happen. Thoughts and prayers...

I see two main culprits that enable Israel to eradicate the Palestinian people and their livelihood in manner and speed we see now. The US and germany. Many other western political elites seem far more divided on the topic but probably fear the backlash of speaking out.

70% of the weapons come from the US and they will never stop to supply their FOB. Democrats or republicans will veto everything and make it as hard as possible to even reach a clear global verdict on what happened and how to classify it.

Most of the remaining 30% come from germany.

Here the key argument is that Israel is worthy of unwavering support due to the historical fact of the holocaust and the inhumane acts inflicted on the Jewish population.

Scholz said recently that the security of Israel is a National interest of germany. As a german I feel this too, although for me the state of Israel and the global jewish population we did unspeakable crimes to are not necessarily the same. There are lines that can be crossed that limit my willingness of support. It's not unconditional and they crossed them. Israel crossed them, not the jews.

I also feel past and present crimes the jewish people had to endure can be used to understand why Israel is acting the way it does but it can't be a justification of their barbaric way of waging this war against Hamas.

In short, nothing will change. Sorry for the long reply, this shit really grinds my gears.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago (10 children)

Should have given them a part of Germany then, instead of having the Palestinians pay for your nation’s crimes

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (9 children)

It was not ours to decide after the war but its an interesting thought. I'd like to see the outcome of that alternative timeline.

Many of the administrative positions were still filled with former Nazis. Most germans in denial of what happened. Also the winning powers seemed far more interested in the spoils of war compared to a just but self-limiting gesture of goodwill.

Sketchy ground for such huge undertaking that would have made german willingness and acceptance paramount.

Also the first thing that comes to my mind is that this decision would jave encaged the victims with the perpetrators. Tough deal to sell to the world.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The real reason is that Zionists and Western powers wanted to use Israel to colonize and subjugate the region and also solve Europe's "Jewish problem", a new iteration of the Crusader states.

“We should there form a portion of a rampart of Europe against Asia, an outpost of civilization as opposed to barbarism. We should as a neutral State remain in contact with all Europe, which would have to guarantee our existence.” -- Theodor Herzl

Quote source: https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/quot-the-jewish-state-quot-theodor-herzl

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago

The belford declaration was signed for 3 reasons:

  1. the christians at the time thought that by sending jews to the holy land will bring forth their messiah and the world will end.

  2. europe (including britain) had a lot of anti-semites, and the creation of israel meant that there would be less jews in europe.

  3. britain wanted a buffer state/intermediate state between themselves and india so they can influence and subjugate those regions more effectively.

The only jew in the british parliament opposed both the declaration and herzl's idea of zionism. In fact jewish community themselves opposed zionism but then hitler came to power which caused many jews to change their opinions.

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