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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/21396125

Stephen Starr in Hamtramck, Michigan
Mon 14 Oct 2024 11.00 EDT

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 15 hours ago (16 children)
[–] [email protected] 11 points 12 hours ago (8 children)

This is question-begging a number of critical elements, e.g. that the "rafts" cannot be influenced by "passenger" input, and that there is only this one, totalizing crossroad of literal, immediate survival.

We can do it too:

You're in a runaway train accelerating toward a cliff and the break only really stops acceleration, it doesn't decelerate. You can sit in the engine room and hold down the break, and you'll live longer, but you aren't changing the fundamental dynamic of the situation, which ends in your eventual death. Conversely, you can jump off the train, surely injuring yourself, possibly crippling yourself, maybe even killing yourself, but it's the only potential way to change the dynamic of being doomed to fall off the cliff.

Does this prove anything? No, it's just a model of how some people think of the problem, not an argument. It would be really obnoxious and disingenuous to present it as an argument.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 11 hours ago (7 children)

Maybe we should see if there’s any point of agreement, one step at a time.

Do you agree that either the Dem or Rep nominee will be the next president?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Do you agree that theres no excuse possible for aiding in a far right wing genocide?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 minutes ago

No.

Given the restraints (either Dem or Rep will win) the logical thing to do is harm reduction. That is, unless you believe Trump will be better in this regard in which case I don’t think we’ll agree on much.

Now answer mine.

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