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It's not that I don't care about Palestine and Palestinians, I want them to be able to live their lives freely and peacefully without the IDF bombing the hell out of them and killing the innocent men, women, children, and babies there. It's that the ask from the "why don't you support Palestinians?" crowd is to not vote for Kamala Harris. You want us to stay home or vote for some nobody 3rd party candidate which paves the way for Trump's 2nd term and a promised end to democracy.
The first step is admitting that the US isn't a democracy to begin with and never has been. At its most democratic, it is "democracy for the rich with some labor unions that aren't completely powerless as negotiating entities for subsets of workers but nevertheless have little to do with what the ruling parties of the country do."
If you go back in time to the original language, you get that language coupled with genocide and slavery. As time goes on, it doesn't get a lot better. Civil rights paved the way for liberals to act like "we've got democracy now because people have the right to vote", but ignores mass incarceration and its disenfranchisement, it ignores the electoral college, it ignores voter suppression, it ignores gerrymandering, it ignores lobbying, it ignores how little regular people have anything to do with what people are candidates to vote on in the first place. What is democratic about that system, for a person who can afford to drop thousands on buying politicians? Sure, something. What is democratic about that system, for a person who is working two jobs to make ends meet and getting eaten alive on means testing and debt? What is democratic about that system, for a person who gets racially profiled and thrown in jail over false accusations, if not gunned down in the street over absolutely nothing other than the whims of police?
I don’t really disagree with anything you wrote.
The thing I still can’t understand is that the consensus of Lemmygrad and other leftist Lemmy instances is that both of these things are somehow true at the same time
And I can’t understand this logic. Voting simultaneously doesn’t matter but also matters and is a full throated endorsement of genocide.
I also agree that we don’t have a real democracy, but if the choice is between “fake democracy with project 2025” and “fake democracy with milquetoast corpos” I’m not sure why I would do anything to help the openly fascist fascists take power.
If you vote for usa, you are complicit in genocide.
Good thing there’s no part of the ballot that says:
[ ] USA [ ] Not USA
That's not a good thing wtf
This might legitimately be the dumbest group of people ever assembled.
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What the fuck does “vote for usa” mean? I’m making a joke that there’s no place on the ballot to vote for or against USA.
You're projecting.
Dems and Reps are usa
Not voting = against usa