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[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago (16 children)

Ignore or assume we fix socioeconomics, environment, etc.;

Is having a child moral given the child cannot consent to being born?

(Not offering any opinion or trying to lead towards any answer)

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago (11 children)

The child can still consider taking the one-way exit as soon as it is able to make such considerations and thereby gets a choice.

You could ask in a similar manner:
Wouldn't it be immoral to disallow this decision making process by leaving the child no choice by not having it?

Asking for consent of an unborn is paradoxial and inherently impossible. It's almost like asking a plant whether it consents into being planted and eaten afterwards. It has no agency. Is it immoral though to plant it and eat it anyway?

Having a child is similar. Get it, let it grow and develop its agency. Then it can decide for itself.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago (7 children)

So the answer boils down to kill yourself when you turn 18 bud? That seems like incredibly callous and unnecessary pain for all involved.

Consent 101: If you’re unsure about whether or not someone would consent, the answer is no. And since we can’t ask the unborn, people who don’t want kids assume the answer is no.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

And that's why you should never pull an unconscious person out of a fire. QED.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

I don’t know what that is supposed to mean. In the Canadian medical system consent to save an unconscious person’s life is pretty automatic.

We’re talking about consent to opt in to be born, which is completely different.

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