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I'm working on my transition plan away from Windows and testing out various things in VMs as I do so, and one big hurdle is making sure the VPN client my work requires can connect. Bazzite is my target distro (primarily gaming, work less frequently), though other more traditionally structured ones like Pop!_OS and Garuda are possibilities.

I'm currently trying and failing to get the VPN client working in a distrobox (throws an error during connection saying PPP isn't installed or supported by the kernel). However, I can successfully get the VPN connected if I overlay the client and its dependencies via rpm-ostree install, but I read somewhere that Bazzite's philosophy is to use rpm-ostree as sparingly as possible for installing software to preserve as much containerization as possible.

Since I can get it working outside of a container, am I overthinking it? Should I just accept that this might be one of the "sparing" cases? Is Bazzite perhaps a poor fit for my use case? I've been trying to make sense of this guide, but I'm having trouble understanding how to apply it to my situation, since I'm not that familiar with Docker or Podman.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (9 children)

Atomic systems or rpm-ostree is an interesting concept and may well be the future of distributing linux, but it has a lot of compromises. It may not be the first place to start when leaving windows.

The problem is all the apps and things you may wish to do with your OS. Flatpak is the preferred method of installing apps as it doesn't interfere with the OS, but that is a compromise that means more overhead for running apps including memory and disk space, and less integration with the host OS than traditional apps.

You can overlay native apps but the more you overlay onto the immutable os, the more complex upgrading gets and the risks of breaking stuff.

I'm not sure I would be starting with an immutable OS when switching away from windows. While it has a lot of theoretical benefits, its a work in progress and with significant compromises at the moment. Your VPN may just be the first of many programmes you find you need to overlay.

I personally would look at a more traditional install, get it working how you like and if you find Linux works as a permanent home then think about how you might recreate that with an immutable OS base. If your needs a re very simple then maybe it'll be easy, but if you're using lots of software and tools (particularly if its not available Flatpak) or custom OS config you may find atomic desktops are not yet quite ready for you.

It could be frustrating and off putting if you try linux immutable, find loads of problems and attribute that to linux when its actually the immutable OS that's the cause.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago (7 children)

I currently run Bazzite full time on an HTPC laptop, but I don't use that for work purposes at all. It's been great, and I would be a little sad if I couldn't fit Bazzite into my use case.

But I'm fully aware that my frustrations are atomic problems, and I've had no issues installing the software I need on non-atomic distros. The reason I'm so smitten by atomic distros is the fact that there's theoretically no down time. I've had distros break in the past due to some squirrely install or update, and I've never once had that issue on Bazzite.

I just recently learned that openSUSE users also have a lot of stability due to btrfs snapshots, so maybe that's really the feature I'm looking for. I don't know much about it, honestly.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I just recently learned that openSUSE users also have a lot of stability due to btrfs snapshots, so maybe that's really the feature I'm looking for. I don't know much about it, honestly.

I'm been daily driving openSUSE Tumbleweed for almost a year and from my end there are no problems with it. In fact, no problem that can be pinned to the particular distro.

I ran into an audio issue with my Bluetooth Headset in Kernel 6.9 3, with sound profiles not appearing. However, this has now been fixed since 2 kernel updates, (eg.it was a bug in the kernel)

The snapshot feature is awesome and always worked without a hitch when I have been tinkering with stuff I dont know how it works.

It has my recommendation. Good for gaming as its a rolling release with all the new stuff to boot.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

That's good to know, especially the gaming part. I have tried it in the past, only briefly, and I remember enjoying the experience (older laptop, so gaming was out of the question). I'll have to throw an ISO on my thumb drive to give it another try!

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