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Even if god exists religion can't possibly be the way to god (lemmy.world)

submitted 5 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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So I thought about this in the shower amd it makes sense to me, like praying and stuff never worked for most people I know, so a direkt link to god gotta be unlikely. That made me conclude that religion is probably fake, no matter if there's a god or not. Also people speaking to the same god being given a different set of rules sounds stupid, so at least most religions must be fake.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (5 children)

It provides people with guidelines to live a good life - ‘as long as you do these things everything is gonna be alright’.

which is a fucking lie. the most decent people I've known have been plagued by disease and preyed upon by the strong and greedy. do these things and MAYBE, if you're really fucking lucky, you won't die an excruciatingly painful death and/or have your loved ones murdered and your life's work stolen.

those seem like the odds everyone gets, regardless of faith.

The world needs more faith.

no, the world needs justice, balance. waiting for faith to solve things isn't going to help anyone.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago (4 children)

They are lies to some and to others they are promises.

I don't disagree that organised religion can and is very manipulative.

Sorry, I wasn't very clear - was less about whether or not the guidelines are real or have an impact (which is arguable either way) but more so that people want to be reassured that they are 'doing the right thing'.

And my reason for highlighting this is to provide an understanding for the people that do follow religion - that it's a very natural human response to look for certainty or predictability and for some people religion provides that by providing a structure for them to build their moral compass and world views around.

Again, whether or not that's a good or bad thing is up to the individual.

You mention justice and balance and I agree that balance is definitely required. Justice is a more complex notion, one which generally involves consequences or punishment.

I'm unsure of justice being useful, as long as we are divided and pointing fingers we will never truly meet our potential as a species. We can do amazing things when we work together.

When I say faith I am not implying that someone or something is going to intervene and save the day. I'm definitely not advocating inaction. But as I mentioned in another reply, faith in oneself and the people around them to make the right decisions and hold themselves accountable is a good starting point. Faith that this existence is just a tiny part of a much greater existence and faith that what you do matters regardless of how inconsequential it may seem.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (3 children)

You mention justice and balance and I agree that balance is definitely required. Justice is a more complex notion, one which generally involves consequences or punishment.

RAPISTS NEED TO FACE JUSTICE. Instead faith orgs shuffle the rapists around and defend them.

If we simply started there, the world would be a much better place.

I think the imaginary friend(s) problem is going to destroy our species if we can't outgrow it pretty fucking quickly.

also see: palestine

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago (2 children)

I think I understand your anger.

It would be a start, you're right.

I think that division will destroy us much faster than anything else.

As long as we're blaming, hating, raping, murdering, deceiving and competing with each other we will destroy ourselves.

And maybe that is what's best for the universe.

A hateful species that can't co-operate and recognise its diversities as its strengths should not be able to leave its planet.

It will become its own Great Filter.

You are right though, there does need to be consequences and inaction is just as bad as condoning.

Hating the people that believe in something is no better than the people that are hating each other for believing in different things.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

It will become its own Great Filter.

yeah, I can't see us passing the future hurdles and it makes me exceptionally depressed. we can't get coal rollers and vroom vroom types to stop pouring hydrocarbon byproducts into the atmosphere, how are we going to get the entire world to pull back.

we have one biosphere. once chance. and it's already so very very very fucked. AMOC collapse, Microplastics in EVERYTHING including all testicles measured - PFAS everywhere - ice sheets collapsing - ocean temps off the charts - mexico, us south, india, pakistan COOKING... it's all gonna get worse and still the assholes are talking about drilling more and driving their shitmobiles.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

Difference is nobody hates the people that are christians at least incredibly uncommon they hate religion for all the harm its done to families and everyone. Which is why i am antitheist.