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https://cowboystatedaily.com/2024/04/10/public-officials-law-agencies-flooded-with-threats-over-reports-of-wolf-torture/

Sublette County Sheriff K.C. Lehr has received more than 7,000 emails about a Wyoming man who reportedly captured and tormented a wolf before killing it, he told Cowboy State Daily on Wednesday.

Some of those are threats.

Lehr said people in his office, as well as Sublette County and Wyoming Game and Fish Department personnel, have been receiving threats — including death threats — stemming from Daniel, Wyoming, man Cody Roberts’ reported capture, torment and killing of a wild wolf in late February.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (24 children)

I dunno I wonder how much of this thread believes in rehabilitative justice when it's convenient for them to do so, but will then turn around and advocate for extreme eye for an eye style punitive, retributive justice whenever it strikes their moral fancy. If it was seen as socially acceptable to go to the coliseum and see people thrown off of large wooden towers, or to go and look at the gallows, I can guarantee we'd still probably do it.

I also don't think this act requires psychopathy, or else you'd probably have to classify like, every teenage boy who kicks over an anthill or tries to shoot a squirrel with a bb gun as a psychopath. No, I think probably the fact that he paraded it through the town and bragged about it is the biggest indication that, much like the people in this thread, he thought he was doing something morally justified and cool.

Maybe finally I'd just like to ask the question of, if you don't actually want this guy to be horribly tortured and killed, or become some sort of adverse strain on the medical industry, become disabled, dependant on medical care (really revealing of your opinions of the elderly and disabled there, guys), then why are you calling for these things? These things which you do not actually believe should happen? Probably it's because your brain's been rotted by social media which I can appreciate, but still, I must chastize you for it, because when I do it, it's morally justified and cool. While I don't think that "death threats" from random people usually carry with them the same kind of weight as when political pundits call for the deaths of a given population or even a single person, and it's unlikely that this guy actually gets tortured with all the fixin's and trappin's of a cut off your toes style collections agency, I still think it's pretty morally repugnant and obviously unproductive to send this guy hate mail. At least package some ricin in it or something, if you really care, c'mon.

I don't actually care if you go scoop out this guy's eyes with pomegranate spoons or take your toenail clippers to his teeth or whatever, or maybe like. Leave him in the unrefrigerated milk and honey bath for several weeks. You know, lest I be accused of being an animal torturer, or complicit in animal torture, which, really beating the witch hunt allegations there, Simone. No, I don't really care about that shit, what I do mostly care about is that it's fucking annoying to see a bunch of presumably men but also women who are unable to experience emotional distress without wanting to call for an eye gougathon. It's okay to be sad and kind of mad that this shitlord is basically going to get away with this, as it would seem. I don't think it's healthy or productive to vent your emotions at this random person, though.

I could also maybe call out the "well, are you guys vegan?" hypocrisy that everyone else has already done, but I'm not a vegan and I don't care because I don't have morals, so I'll leave that to them.

Thank you for your time.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (3 children)

And you wouldn't classify a kid shooting a squirrel for fun as psychopathy? It doesn't necessarily have to mean anything but I'd definitely see it as a warning sign. Killing anything just for fun the fun of it seems weird to me.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago

Probably not. Teenagers are still developing their brains, empathy, etc.

Some teenagers are taught that hunting is a valuable skill and want to practice it. Some just want to use their toy and don't actually consider the full implications. Some might have been taught that squirrels are vermin.

All those things are more likely than the teen shooting the squirrel because they enjoy causing pain. Probably the squirrels POV never even shadowed their thoughts.

tl;dr teenagers are stupid and do stupid shit without thinking about what they're doing.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago

and you wouldn't classify ... as psychopath*ic

No, I wouldn't, for the same reason you instantly stated after your question.

Warning signs are warning signs. They are not indicative of anything other than a possibility.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago

It'd be pretty hard to kill a squirrel with most bb guns, I would think, it'd just be really harmful and kind of a stupid thing that I can imagine a kid not thinking through, or thinking is funny after seeing their friends get shot with them and coming out okay.

None of that really parallels with the current instance, but the broader point I'm making, I think, is that people throw around words like "psychopathy", but then that's never used as a way to discuss anything further. It's used as a way to shut down discussion and pretend that these things are inevitable instead of being things that kind of stem from a collective cultural cruelty. You see accusations of psychopathy in this thread side by side with people wishing the cruelest possible things on this guy. If it is psychopathy, then this dude is more like a victim of incredible mental illness, and calling for his torture is, a very weird approach to mental illness. Then you also get people who are like "it isn't an excuse", and then I think you can dismiss those people out of hand because they're coming into the discussion thinking that you're trying to use mental illnesses as an excuse for torturing animals, which is really dumb.

I'd also make the side point that if you were to classify that behavior as psychopathic, than as evidenced by both the thread and just kind of my general admittedly anecdotal experience, then psychopathy would probably be the default state of humanity, which I don't think really lends meaning to psychopathy as a term.

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