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[–] [email protected] -5 points 6 months ago (43 children)

I don't think you actually understand the phrase or appreciate its significance in terms of what it means for leadership. Why don't you actually address the primacy of the point that I made?

Do you consider the President responsible for the outcomes of their tenure or not?

You seem insistent in an interpretation that doesn't leave Biden culpable for the outcomes of his time as President. But that's not how leadership works. The buck stops with you when you are in the big seat. Whether you are passing the buck in terms of the outcomes of this four years from Biden to congress, or Biden to the Supreme Court, or Biden to the American people, or Biden to Russia, that's just not how the world works. A Republican congress wont be voted out of office because they stymied Biden's efforts: they'll be rewarded for it. Its Biden's job to break through these kinds of issues; that's the role of a President.

Making excuses for Biden, repeatedly, incessantly, it doesn't change the fact that ultimately this election coming up is a referendum on his time in leadership and what he has to show for it. Biden understand what the phrase means when he said "The Buck stops with me on Afghanistan", maybe you should take the time to develop that understanding as well.

If the buck stops with Biden on Afghanistan (his words, not ours), does it not also stop with him on Ukraine?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 months ago (42 children)

Do you consider the President responsible for the outcomes of their tenure or not?

When congress and the judiciary is working against them? Not.

Are you going to blame Biden for the conservative majority on the Supreme court's decision in Dobbs v. Jackson as well?

You seem insistent in an interpretation that doesn’t leave Biden culpable for the outcomes of his time as President. But that’s not how leadership works. The buck stops with you when you are in the big seat.

So the separation of powers as outlined in the Constitution is not a thing and Biden has the unilateral power to do whatever he likes. Gotcha.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (31 children)

All that's clear from your response is that you don't appreciate the role of leadership and how it works.

Leadership doesn't get to pass on responsibility. It doesn't matter if its a conservative SC or you don't have congress in your favor. The deck being stacked against you doesn't mean you get a pass. What it means is you have to come up with a different way of getting the job done. You have to be clever and strategic and get around obstacles. Every leader has to deal with these things, the job of leadership is to figure out ways to overcome these things. A leader who passes the buck on the responsibility for the outcomes of their tenure is no leader at all. By deferring responsibility, you are making the point that Biden is a weak leader incapable of overcoming adversity. If that's the case, why should any one vote for them?

You should meditate on that phrase and look at it in historical context. Your desire that Biden not be considered responsible for his tenure is just.. its not how the world works. Defending Biden's weakness isn't having the effect you think it should, rather, it highlights how ineffectual he's been as President and that he may not really be qualified for the role.

An edit because I did want to respond to this:

Are you going to blame Biden for the conservative majority on the Supreme court’s decision in Dobbs v. Jackson as well?

Yes absolutely. We should blame Biden, and the Democrats writ large for both the conservative Supreme court and the fact that Dobbs v. Jackson was even allowed to be on the table. I don't know if you remember, but Biden was vice president in recent history. That's an incredibly powerful position. He was also a Senator, and the Democrats held a majority in congress for enough time to get a national right to an abortion into congress, but they decided it wasn't a priority. Democrats are as to blame for the erosion of abortion rights in this country as the conservatives advocating for a christian theocracy. These guys aren't marvel heroes or sports stars. You don't need to cheer them on, you need to hold them responsible. They're employees who've failed to take their jobs seriously and get the priorities of their voters into law. If anything, Democrats are more responsible for the current state of abortion rights in this country because they chose to not make them a priority.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

People want the government to operate without opposition. Almost like in a... one-party state?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago

Like Russia, with its de-facto one-party state.

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