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[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (8 children)

The idea that a person can be socialized into being trans is directly contradictory to the idea that a trans person is born trans and that their gender identity is an unchangeable biological reality of who they are (which causes dysphoria when mismatched with their body).

You are collapsing too many ideas into one here.

There are people who through some combination of nature and nurture find themselves wanting to be treated in a way which aligns much closer to how one gender gets treated in a particular society. They may choose to transition to get this treatment despite having no dysphoria about themselves or their body. Being upset about how someone treats you is not necessarily dysphoria. Do not erase these individuals.

Arguing that dysphoria is central to the trans experience is a trans medicalist (truscum) viewpoint and exclusionary rhetoric isn't nice and therefore isn't allowed around here.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (7 children)

There are people who through some combination of nature and nurture find themselves wanting to be treated in a way which aligns much closer to how one gender gets treated in a particular society.

How people of different gender treat one another is completely cultural though. It's arbitrary. You could have a culture where genders treat one another completely the same yet trans people would still exist because of dysphoria. It's not about culture, it's about their relationship to their bodies. It's why a trans person would still be trans even if they were socially isolated and alone, they might not have a way to understand why they feel dysphoria and it may manifest differently, but they would still feel it because it's a biological reality of who they are.

No one is erasing anyone -- I'm saying that wanting to behave a certain way, or dress a certain way, sleep with a particular kind of person, or be treated socially a certain way is all perfectly fine but it's not ultimately related to being trans. Otherwise you could claim a crossdresser were trans or people who claimed they were "attack helicopters" would have to be accepted as trans because there would literally be no argument you could make against it. You are defining trans people out of their own experience to avoid simply acknowledging that some things are a result of being trans and some things are not.

It is okay if we accept that not everyone is trans. It doesn't make people's experience or desires less valid, whether they end up being trans or not, if anything it helps them live with a more clear sense of themselves. Same way people shouldn't feel "excluded" because they're straight instead of gay. But it would be harmful for a straight person to squish and stretch the definition of being gay so that it included them because "I like dressing flamboyantly, so that makes me gay even though I don't like people of the same sex. And if you disagree with me you're erasing me". We would all recognize it as nonsense and it would be offensive for that person to speak on behalf of gay people's lived experience, even undermining the basis of their established rights.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

Otherwise you could claim a crossdresser were trans or people who claimed they were “attack helicopters” would have to be accepted as trans because there would literally be no argument you could make against it.

this just sounds like a skill issue on your part, i'm sorry--this is not an issue if you have a postmodernist understanding of gender, which most trans people (myself included) subscribe to.

at the end of the day when you drill down? there really is not a material difference between the "real" and "fake" genders--gender is entirely socially constructed, and the designations of "male" and "female" that most people fall into are as arbitrary as any xenogender (real or frivolously created by right-wingers). you only "lose" by entertaining frivolous designations if your understanding of gender is already so narrow that you can't conceptually accommodate anything beyond a handful of stock gender identities to begin with.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

this is not an issue if you have a postmodernist understanding of gender, which most trans people (myself included) subscribe to.

No, that's an impression people in your position create by silencing those who disagree. Which is exactly the issue.

The reason xenogenders and transgender genders are not the same is because one is based on our dimorphic sexual physicality, and the other is based on metaphysical invention. It's the whole reason that the attack helicopter meme has no actual power -- because humans are not and have never been "part helicopter" but we are part male and female.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago

The reason xenogenders and transgender genders are not the same is because one is based on our dimorphic sexual physicality, and the other is based on metaphysical invention.

So you're not only transmedicalist, but somehow also a gender essentialist?

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