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[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (13 children)

Why add a symbol that is almost solely used by totalitarian governments?

The hammer and sickle remains commonplace in self-declared socialist states, such as China, Cuba, North Korea, Laos, and Vietnam, but also some former Soviet republics following the dissolution of the Soviet Union, such as Belarus and Russia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hammer_and_sickle

Are there any countries that use the symbol that are actually nice places to live with good governments?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (7 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (6 children)

The MPLA abandoned its former Marxist ideology at its third party congress in 1990, and declared social democracy to be its new platform.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angola#Angolan_Civil_War

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Yes I'm aware of the history of Angola.

You asked

Are there any countries that use the symbol that are actually nice places to live with good governments?

Angola has made a conscious decision to stick to this symbol as if transitions to a liberal democracy and stable economy. There were some efforts to change the flag recently because as you said it's often associated with totalitarian regimes. But those efforts failed because to Angolans it symbolizes the Angolan triumph over the colonial oppression of Portugal and resistance to apartheid South African invasion.

It could change in the future, Angola is still moving towards "good government" and "nice place to live" as you said. But for now it remains their national flag.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Interesting. That being said I don't understand the lemmygrad peoples desire for the Hammer and sickle as a symbol. Like almost nothing good has come from it. Even in Angola it seems to be viewed as a somewhat tarnished period in their history.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago

I get what you mean, I'm helping to add nuance to the discussion. Also a bunch of white people coming in and telling Angolans what symbols they can and can't use to represent their triumph over colonialism and apartheid isn't a great look either.

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