This is the fourth meme I've seen about Columbus today.
Did I miss something or is this just coincidence?
Edit: Didn't realize yesterday was Columbus day ๐
this post was submitted on 14 Oct 2024
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Great podcast on the unfiltered version of the Columbus Story:
https://ourfakehistory.com/index.php/season-8/episode-178-columbus-part-i/
It's great to see and hear that people are learning and wanting to learn about this history.
I'm Indigenous and it has been a lifetime of being always uncomfortable reading about history as if we didn't exist or were ever part of the land or even worth mentioning most of the time.
There is honour in talking about every part of history ... whether it be good or bad ... because that is what it is 'history'. But it also does honour to the present generations to acknowledge the past because it prepares and conditions future generations to not repeat the mistakes of the past.
This has been a fun, enlightening and hilarious thread today ... thanks guys ... kitchi-meegwetch doodemuk (it means thanks very much my friends - in Ojibway/Cree)
plus here's another pic of Nimoy as a Native character (he actually looks like someone I know in this image ..... lol)
Ever since was about 10 and I was taken to Mesa Verde in Colorado, I totally started to distrust history as I'd been taught. Before, or was all about American exceptionalism, divine providence, western expansion, etc. I was told about Native Americans as they collided with Americans. Never was I taught about the history that existed long before, like the Ancestral Puebloans that built such amazing things, and had such amazing culture. I still feel guilty sometimes. I've been taking my son to places like that (Mesa Verde, Toas Pueblo, some of the plentiful reservations near Olympic National Park in Washington.
Bonus picture I took at the entrance to Mesa Verde that I found very powerful:
Don't hold guilt for actions that were not your own and ignorance you once unknowingly held. Instead, strive to let go of that ignorance, educate yourself, and educate those where you're able. The only reason to ever feel guilty is to be aware of your own ignorance and choose the easy path; to stay in the dark.
My sister's gateway was the Disney Pocahontas movie. She would have been around seven or eight when it was released in theaters. She fell in love with the story and the characters, knew all the songs etc... and so she wanted to learn more. So then she got real history books about the time period and biographies of Pocahontas.
And that's when she learned grown-up's lie.
That's a classic one there. We just watched that movie with my son, and talked about how none of it was real.
It fills me with a great sense of joy and happiness to know that there are people like you and everyone in this community here who feel the same.
I've always felt like getting people to understand this history is such a difficult and sometimes an impossible thing. I also feel proud of you that you are teaching and showing your son the same level of understanding.
Sometimes it feels like people like me are constantly fighting an uphill battle ... but to meet allies on that lonely hill that choose to help with these burdens makes a world of difference. It gives everyone a glimmer of hope for the future. Today that light seems to be shining bright in these conversations and messages.
All my best to you and your family.
When I went to Mesa Verde at a kid, the story that was told was of the people who found (and rescued) the ruins. They talked about the great mystery of where the "Anasazi" went (that term isn't used anymore).
When I took my son a year ago, the whole park had changed the story completely. No more was there a story of Western Discovery, but of a people who are still around (the Puebloans). The rangers were all Puebloans and told stories they were taught as children. They told us an oral story of their ancestors, who lived in a cave dwelling, that faced exactly north, and had 7 Kivas. That exact dwelling is known in Mesa Verde. Spanish monks had recorded the story before the "rediscovery", and only recently was such stories/evidence taken seriously. There was no mystery.
The experience visiting 30ish years apart was astonishing. I was heartened at the change. The large museum is being rebuilt to enhance that narrative.
It might be a small bit of justice, but at least it's something.
A People's History of the United States is what opened my eyes, quite a few years ago at this point.
A high-school math teacher tuned me into that. Good guy: an old school hippy, sported a curly mullet and had a LAN setup that we used for Counterstrike at lunch.
counterstrike LAN party at lunch? I'm jealous and I'm in HS right now
It's stomach churning stuff.
It is now indigenous people day
..... for those wondering ... I'm Indigenous Canadian and the idea of Columbus day is both completely foreign and silly to me. Why anyone would celebrate a genocidal psychopathic pedophile that treated people like animals to be bought sold and traded is beyond me.
On the flip side, it's made me look up Native American and Trek related content, which led me to discover a whole bunch of imagery of Leonard Nimoy's early acting career where he portrayed Native American people in many western films and TV shows.
These photos are wild, I don't think I've seen these before.
Yeah, today is recognized as "Columbus Day" federally in the U.S., but it's increasingly been referred to as "Indigenous Peoples' Day" for the past few years at the state, city, town levels.
Possibly linux is right, Columbus Day is a product of racist national pride. It's not as popular as it used to be, thankfully, and it's not something most Americans are particularly proud of. It's definitely going to be officially renamed one day, but it's going to take time (and likely face opposition from racists). Seriously, fuck Columbus, he was a butcher.
I have heard of Columbus Day over the years and its always been a foreign concept to me because I'm Canadian and also because I'm Indigenous ... I jumped on this thread at first because I was just having fun because OP mentioned something about Columbus and not thinking I started having fun with Star Trek episodes with Indigenous content (which was fun to review) ... plus it led me down a search to find that Nimoy had played lots of roles as a Native American in several western films and TV shows before becoming known for Star Trek ... totally wild to find all these pictures of him as a Native character.
It's trippy looking at these old photos, isn't it? I mean wtf argh lmao, Leonard Nimoy in an "Indian" costume. Wow.
Side note. It took 70 years, but now instead of shit like this we have movies like Prey being made (omfg tell me you've seen it? I thought it was amazing). So we've come a long way.
Yes I have seen it ... my whole family especially everyone under the age of 30 were all excited about and we all watched it when it first came out.
Everyone was happy that the winning underdog this time was a young Comanche girl and instead of white actors playing Native roles, or even ethnic actors playing Native roles ... it was actual Native actors portraying Indigenous roles in the film.
The original idea was to celebrate the early explorers as without them there would be no Europeans in North America and thus no US. Then people realized that maybe the explorers were no so nice to the natives. Historically Native Americans were looked down on as they were "uncivilized."
Basically Columbus day was a product of racist national pride.
Fun fact: Christopher Columbus is not celebrated in Italy or Spain. They want nothing to do with him.
The man didn't even make it to the mainland. He landed in Cuba, thought it was India, murdered a bunch of natives, and stole their stuff.
So not too different from the British Empire, except they knew when they were in India.
Ya know, when you put it like that, it adds a whole other layer of fuckedupedness on the rotten lasagna of history.
I was recently thinking, Lower Decks, really needs to update us on what happened to these characters. Maybe Iโm alone in these small details. ๐ค
I liked that Picard was like... why in the world would we revive them, they lived their lives and died, let's move on.
I noticed it on a rewatch and got a chuckle when I heard it.
My only regret is that he does not have boneitis.
I would be more like Sonny. Replicate a guitar and some hooch and call it a win. Later I would start a retro rock band, too. Maybe I can also get some teenagers to stampede just like Sonny.
(image of Leonard Nimoy performing as a Native American in western film in the 1950s)
Oh, Bill. No, Bill. No.
The most hate-able character in the series for me.
exactly .... an entitled billionaire from the late 20th century.
but I also enjoy reading and researching who these actors were in real life
The millionaire/billionaire character 'Ralph Offenhouse' was played by actor Peter Mark Richman (April 16, 1927 โ January 14, 2021)
Before his acting career, he started off his career as a pharmacist. "My father died when I was 16 and my brother was kind of a surrogate father," recalled Richman. "He was a pharmacist and I worked in his store as a teenager. He thought I should get a real education so I ended up reluctantly going to pharmacy school. I expected to flunk out after six weeks but stuck it out, graduated, and became a licensed pharmacist in two states."
even though he played a convincingly obnoxious rich guy ... his real life was the complete opposite.
I mostly remember him as one of the evil corporate pollution CEO's from Naked Gun 2-1/2: The Smell of Fear.
A great character actor because he really caused everyone to absolutely hate his characters. Just like Louise Fletcher ... you love them because you hate them.
He probably just amalgamated some of his worst customers.
Yep. His whole ''why aren't the coms locked if it's so important?'' --''because even school children have a sense of protocol and restraint in this future''
He's comparing the Enterprise to a cruise ship?!
I mean you can sort of give him a pass on that. The Enterprise D is far more luxurious than any cruise ship of his time and in a completely different realm to any military ship in terms of material comforts.
As if they had the funds for an original ps2 controller... They used a logitech ripoff.
This was an alternate Star Trek timeline, obviously. The flag has 52 stars and Ireland's been re-unified. Also, the Bell Riots just happened.
Yeah, fuck that noise.