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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago

I'm so tired of hearing about this guy.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I know from some experience that parents eventually make peace with their children for cultural differences like these, at least some of them do

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Elon Musk doesn't give a shit about his kids, he's just a weirdo with a breeding fetish.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

Like his dad

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Fuck this victim blaming ass headline. Not clicking on it.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

At last last we found the architect of all of society's woes: Vivian Wilson.

It was the transes all along! (/s)

[–] [email protected] 55 points 1 month ago (3 children)

I'm confused. I don't see any victim blaming in the article. Most of the article is lending a voice to trans/NB people to tell how hard it is, when someone in their family is bigoted and anti trans to begin with and how they, instead of trying to understand, doubled down on their hatred and bigotry and became nasty after they came out.

People do not become right wing bigots, because they have a trans child or cousin. But for some its hard to confront their own bigotry when suddenly the thing they "fear" is in their own backyard. So they react the opposite and burrow down deeper in right wing hatred.

Can we not acknowledge that this is an effect often hapening in right wing families when a family member comes out? That doesnt mean the coming out is at fault. Its bigots doubling down on their bigotry, because they can not, like normal people, reflect on their stance and admit, that maybe they were wrong.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

My dad is very conservative but hates Trump and his racism etc. But he's always been anti LGBT etc cause of religion. Fast forward to now and one of his grand children is trans and the other gay. My siblings and I have taken a stance of "if you don't like it there's the door" and we've given him no option but to accept it unless he wants to die alone. It forced him to at least watch what he says and to shut the fuck up about his opinions he's not willing to change.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Vivian was victimized by her father's heartless disregard and rejection of her identity. Elon is now going around stating a narrative that her coming out to him is at least a significant contributing reason he is a fascist ("I lost my son to the woke mind virus"), a narrative that this headline plays directly into. You can take the same sequence of facts and headline it as "Musk is going public with the same bigotry that he wielded against his transgender daughter. A lot of trans people have family members like him" that doesn't make it sound like Elon Musk would have been politely building his rockets and evs in a corner if only his daughter hadn't come out as trans, and doesn't make it sound like Vivian indirectly donated 10s of millions of dollars to Trump's 2024 campaign by coming out as someone that that exact campaign wants to suppress. The headline as written is almost a threat to closeted trans people. "Yeah, your parents may be Schrodinger's bigots right now, but come out and they will go full scorched earth to dehumanize you and you will be responsible for their shift".

I'm pretty sure you are agreeing that that isn't the case, and it wouldn't surprise me if the text of the article is also aligned against that message, but the headline (probably written by an editor hungry for rage clicks) is solidly aligned to it, and should be called out for that

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (2 children)

This is what her hot air balloon of a excuse for a farher said, not the article. Be angry and speak out against Elon Musks bigotry. Not about what you "think" an article you actually didn't read might have said because of your interpretation of a headline.

We all should know by now that this click bait shit is all hot air most of the time, so why play into it?

I feel like a lot of people here still have to learn how to deal with todays sensationalist internet media. Don't believe everything you (didn't) read at first glance.

If you consume todays "news" only by headlines, without looking behind it and using your own common sense and critical thinking, you are bound to come out with a very distorted world view.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

People shouldn’t criticise clickbait headlines?

This kind of headline probably has a fucking body count, and you’re wringing your hands over it.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

The headline is written as a factual statement, not a quoted opinion. It therefore endorses the idea that Musk's daughter turned him into a fascist. Everyone knows most people stop reading after the headline, so a headline that only stops being misleading when you read the article is just misleading.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yeah but it's easier to just claim outrage at the click bait title and not read the article tbf

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

Why get nuanced when you can get owned?

[–] [email protected] 99 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Elon Musk’s transgender daughter brought his far-right bigotry to light. A lot of trans people have family members like him.

FTFY

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 month ago

Yeah don't blame Elon's stupidity on her!

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

There has been no shift to the right. He's always been on the right. Just because he makes electric cars doesn't mean he's some ultra-leftie. He saw an opportunity to invest in a promising technology and he did it. Then he threw the public some bones about environmentalism that he doesn't actually care about to make more money.

Also, I, for one, am glad black men have mostly stopped radically influencing white people from public lynchings these days.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago

He was always a far right crazo.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 month ago (1 children)

F*** this article. Don't even read the article. The title says it all.

My summary: "Blame the victim. Blame the trans person for their family member acting a fool. It only got bad after the trans person came out. It's all the trans person's fault."

To hell with that.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Exactly my thoughts. Straight up blaming the victim, who was a child at the time of Musk going public with the right wing views he's had for decades.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

A child he barely had a relationship with. In her NBC interview, she said that, despite having equal custody, she was with her mother 90% of the time and some of the time with her father was for PR for his companies.

He also tried to get her to be masculine and insulted her for being queer even before she came out.

This is utter bullshit.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

The guy's a complete clown and I find it funny how conservatives who never stfu about single black mothers give guys like Musk a complete pass, despite the guy having something insane like 11 kids and being such a blatantly obviously absentee father, clearly because he cares more about the pursuit of money and clout than caring for his kids.

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