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What alternative ways can you think of to handle making legislation and passing laws that would negate the increasingly polarized political climate that is happening in more and more countries?

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[โ€“] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

We all upvote or downvote a law

[โ€“] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago

Lol, reddit making laws. I mean at least the names of the laws would be interesting. Lawy McLawFace

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

representative government is pretty good

let's talk dumping the executive branch. those bums are worthless.

[โ€“] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago

Define a set of rules, and someone will figure out how to cheat it.

[โ€“] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I don't see the problem originating from Congress necessarily being polarized. I think the problem is that corporate and big money interests are too strong, and they fund politicians that will try to divide the people on social issues so that they can distract the people from badness happening on the economic front. In other words, I think we're seeing a problem with corruption that's expressing itself as polarization.

Even the term "polarization" can also be used as a trap, because it tends to be used in a way that frames politics as a linear spectrum, and your views are somewhere between these two end points. In reality everything is far more complicated. People have highly nuanced views on many different subjects with good reason, and there's no way you can easily capture it on one single sliding scale.

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago

Well polarization can be used to measure how much the nuances affect things. Like the border bill that Biden tried to put up. The nuances were ignored in favor of what was good for the party. Bills that would be passable 20 years ago as bipartisan thanks to those nuances can't pass now because the parties have driven more people to ignore the nuances and just vote for one party or the other no matter the platform. And thus anyone who crosses the line fears they won't get reelected. And yes, money drives it as well. But not only directly. The media makes money portraying politicians as extremists to. So they help drive it as well. I don't think the money can really be controlled, so I think we need a different way to pass legislation that can somehow negate it's effect. I just don't know what that is.

[โ€“] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

This isn't an ideal solution, but a practical one. A simple hack for the U.S. would be to make congressional votes secret. Yes, this means congress people would be less accountable, but think about where their accountabilites lie. These people are far more worried about their parties' strongmen and sponsors than their gerrymandered constituents.

Impossible to implement in the present U.S. climate, but more idealistic is to divide the US into 50,000 person districts (greatly expanding an individuals access to their rep), then group those into evenly sized super districts. The reps choose from among themselves a super rep to attend congress, who they can recall at anytime. This should make gerrymandering more difficult, and dilute the effectiveness of corporate donors while increasing the influence of individual voters.

[โ€“] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago

Oh, another thing about secret votes. It transfers blame from individuals to congess itself. If votes are public, and a popular bill fails, then the individuals and parties are blamed, if secret, then the whole of congress gets blamed and you could see incumbents lose reelection not because of how they individually voted but because of how the body as a whole did. That could force cooperation, but it could also introduce a new form of gamemanship.

[โ€“] [email protected] 5 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Everyone forms communes that reflect their personal values. I would prefer one with direct democracy, and no representatives.

However big a commune you want, but I'd recommend keeping it at 2000 people or less. Anymore and people start to see each other as strangers, not community members. Plus direct democracy works better with smaller population numbers.

[โ€“] [email protected] 5 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Hm, I do agree that if you have too many people, things go down hill. But what if one commune decides to use all the water heading to another... or decides their personal values are that other commutes should serve them.

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

What this person is proposing is functionally similar to forms of anarchism and anarchist theory has some answers to these kinds of questions.

For example the communes could have a federation where representatives are sent to settle disputes. Likewise instead of a fixed 2000 people with walls between you could have people in several smaller overlapping communities which act as bridges across a network of communities. Similar to how a person can be a family member and a company employee and a resident of an apartment building etc.

Though I don't completely buy in to everything it says, https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/peter-gelderloos-anarchy-works goes into how anarchist communities can and have worked

[โ€“] [email protected] 6 points 3 days ago

So once you get to 2000 people, how do you determine who to expel? Maybe it would be fairest to expel the people who have the babies, putting them over 2000.

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