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Not defending the CCP, but I would submit that every country is using AI to undermine other nations including their own.
Yep. There's a tendency to single out China's bad behavior for stuff other world powers (including the U.S. for sure) also do.
A great example is China's meddling in Canadian politics these last few years. An ex-RCMP official pointed out that a lot of other countries do it, including allies. He singled out Russia and India, but also the U.S. (I mean, how could the U.S. not try to influence their neighbors' politics.)
But China makes the headlines, every single time.
I suspect that the end is coming for misinformation as AI is making it easier and easier to spread, which is having the effect of simply forcing people to actually think for themselves.
The US has been meddling in other countries elections for the last hundred years, and if they don't get their way they impose sanctions, organise a coups and commence other destabilisation efforts.
China will disrupt elections in the US, South Korea and India, Microsoft warns
better headline
But AI is scary, it's like an assault weapon. No one knows what it actually is, but feared nonetheless.
... Image generation. Fabricated stories. Lies. Really?
You don't see the potential for an automated evidence and witness account system to deluge the public sphere with "proof" that Cornel West, or whoever your favorite is, is running a pedophile ring in a pizza parlor basement?
You know how many times I've seen a picture and thought "ah. huh." before later having it pointed out to me that, yes, actually, the hands are kinda fucked up. And you think this has no greater potential for swaying what stupid bullshit the average voter believes in.
—Actually, clear something up for me.
Do you believe in the power of generative AI to uplift and strengthen what today's working people are capable of achieving—as a business tool. The same way the Internet revolutionized commerce and international business dealing.
Or do you believe it is simple, ineffective toy software, feared for no reason, and with no greater appeal than hobbyists looking to spice up their DnD character sheets.
Do you believe that AI generated images are "art" and that "prompt writing" should be recognized as a skill equal to that of a brush, only faster?
Or do you believe that a state would find it so useless it wouldn't even make the strategy meeting for their next election cycle.
It's a wide and diverse spectrum, I'm sure. Please, illuminate me.
Billionaires will completely control elections with or without AI.
Hexbear servers aren't going to pay for themselves.
And Lemmy.ml
AI? Pfft. Real manly men who ride bears with no shirt on know how to disrupt elections all by themselves. With their own two oligarchs!
This may be a dumb question, but does China want Trump or Biden to win? Or are they more interested in just amplifying political/social division?
Every foreign adversary wants Trump to win because it's obvious to everyone in the world that he's going to cause the collapse of America. When America keels over, a power vacuum opens up.
When America keels over, a power vacuum opens up.
As an American, yes please. I'm tired of all my tax payer dollars going to defense spending. Meanwhile China managed to build an entire high speed rail network.
Trump took a LOT of money in gifts from China while in office so I would guess they like him
Edit to add source. There are lots more articles, this is far from the only one
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/04/us/politics/trump-hotels-foreign-business-report.html
In Canada they are more interested in amplifying division
They want minority governments so we are slower to react
For the US I imagine that is having a different Senate or House/Executive
I've only seen references to them dishing out pro trump misinfo, but I expect that's because its the most expedient way to amplify division and it hedges against a trump victory by appealing to his narcissism
America under Trump will all but collapse, which opens up a massive void that China will be happy to fill.
Trump will destroy America for a few strokes of his ego.
There are a lot of Americans who think they understand China really well, but I'm not sure they do.
“Nation seeks to weaken rival” isn’t very difficult to process. Or are you referring to people with a romanticized view of China?
Rival for what? Should we all just assume that every country is in a competition for global supremacy, that China must necessarily be trying to usurp the US as the dominant global superpower. I think it's entirely possible that China's ultimate goal isn't world domination. I don't claim to know what their ultimate goal is, but that's my point: a lot of other Americans do claim to know.
I think it's safest to assume that the other large superpower investing in basically everything, that has stated its goal of hegemony, is working towards that goal.
Or we could just say "Nah they probably don't want worldwide influence and power as the U.S.s wanes." like naive kids that don't understand realpolitik.
Interesting side note: I actually went to a big Chinese-themed lantern festival last night that I'm sure was at least partially underwritten by China.
China has a stated goal of global hegemony? What kind of hegemony? Cultural, ethnic, political? Is that also the stated goal of the US? Because, if so, I as an American do not support that, especially if hegemony is to be achieved through force.
Ask Taiwan, eastern Russia, and the entire continent of Africa what kind of hegemony.
I never said the U.S. isn't a hegemony, just that China has those same goals and to assume altruism is naive at best.
Who said anything about altruism? I don't think altruism or hegemony are the only two possibilities, as though every country must be either a master or a slave. A country can pursue its own interests, provide for its people, defend its borders and sovereignty without necessarily also pursuing global dominance.
A country can pursue its own interests, provide for its people, defend its borders and sovereignty without necessarily also pursuing global dominance.
Hypothetically? Sure.
Let me ask you a question, do you think China does or doesn't want to be a Superpower?
Be honest with yourself and there's your answer to their motivations.
Democracy tends to spread as an idea. Freedom feels good and just so happens to, for the most part, bring nations socially, and economically, closer to the US. So to directly answer your question: rival political structure, rival military, rival economy, rival social structure, etc.. I promised myself I wouldn’t engage in long winded political discussions on lemmy so I’ll cut it off there.
Freedom feels good and just so happens to, for the most part bring nations socially
This part I'd agree with
and economically, closer to the US
This part, much less so. The US has a pretty bad history of overthrowing democratically elected leaders and replacing them with US business friendly politicians, whether through hijacking the legal process as with delaying President Lula, or by backing a coup as with Pinochet.
Given the context of this conversation, I should probably note that I don't support China taking over Taiwan, or meddling with our elections to sow instability either. I'm just challenging the point that the US is friendly to democracy - which has also had bad influence on European democracy (where I am).
Many countries where the US has exerted serious military power like Japan, Germany, and South Korea are now some of the strongest democracies in the world.
It's not so straightforward like that. Many countries like Afganistan, Iraq, Vietnam are still reeling from Direct American meddling. I could sit here and type several chapters if I also talked about the indirect meddling.
I really can’t say that I care enough to flit through my memories of my 101s but the soft political pressure exerted by democracy is powerful.
a chart displaying how frequently the US interacts with a nation.
a history of US military and political actions in other nations
"The Chinese oligarchs are taking over!" - US oligarchs probably
China and russia and probably anyone that can will because at least half of the US are dumb af and if the US if fighting between them then they can do everything they want elsewhere and if a already corrupt puppet like trump get elected? Bonus