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US lining up possible Zelensky replacement (english.almayadeen.net)

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According to Russia's Foreign Intelligence Service (SVR), the US intends to launch a campaign to undermine Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky in order to replace him with a more malleable person. According to the agency, former Interior Minister Arsen Avakov is being considered for the job.

In a statement released on Tuesday, the SVR stated that "the American elite" is becoming increasingly unhappy with Zelensky as politicians on both sides of the aisle begin to "doubt the targeted spending of billions of dollars in military aid to Kiev."

Officials stated that Zelensky is engaging in "crazy steps" that threaten escalation "far beyond Ukraine," adding that Kiev “has moved to feverish action” as Zelensky tries to stay in power after the end of his official term in May.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

replace him with a more malleable person

Even more malleable? That would have to be a literal jellyfish.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

Oh great, Ukranian Hitler

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

"official term" lmao

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

Worrying tbh that they want someone even more malleable than "peace at any cost" Zelensky, who immediately became a US puppet after the final Ukrainian election.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Why are we voicing the Russian Foreign Intelligence Service?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Why not? Who else has a better ability and interest to uncover and expose what the US is plotting in Ukraine? Doesn't necessarily mean that it's true but it's a possibility and one that has been discussed by independent media for a while now. It's interesting to have a state source say this explicitly.

Could this just be information warfare? Of course, but that goes without saying about anything that any side says in a war, and that includes the western mainstream media which for all intents and purposes serves as the mouthpiece of the intelligence community and the military industrial complex.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

You'd find me complaining here too if I saw posts by western mainstream media, but fair enough I see your point. I just say we should take russian state apparatus propaganda (or any state propaganda for that matter) which a handful of salt

[+] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Yes I did, I'm a Marxist-Leninist, and I don't see why we'd parrot the viewpoints of a right-wing imperialist country as much as I wouldn't quote the US defense department or the IDF

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Russia is unfortunately a reich-wing country, but to call it imperialist is foolish or dishonest.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The definition of imperialist I'm using is that one of Lenin's "Imperialism: highest stage of capitalism". I.e. a developed, capitalist industrial nation, where the financialization of the economy has already taken place, and the competition of small capitalists among each other has given way to cartels, oligopolies and immense concentration of capital in the hands of a few. It's precisely the conflict between the capitalists in Russia and the capitalists in US that gives rise to conflicts such as the Ukraine war. US is more advanced in imperialism and is the #1 empire on earth right now, but Russia is also an imperialist country by that definition.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Financialization is a feature of capitalism in general. Over 80 percent of Russia' economic activity is for domestic consumption/use. Despite the power of the oligarchs, this battle is about the survival of Russia as a nation-state as a whole, not just the wealth of the rich.

Russia has no case of exporting money abroad to directly influence the outcome of elections or overthrowing foreign governments for it's capitalists. Russia is a possible future imperialist power to be wary of, but there are no indications that it is imperialist.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Again, we're talking of different definitions of imperialism.

Despite the power of the oligarchs, this battle is about the survival of Russia as a nation-state as a whole, not just the wealth of the rich.

Ok, but that's exactly the point. The economic interests of capitalist Russia directly oppose those of capitalist USA, why else would the USA be hostile to Russia and push NATO to its borders and blow up the NordStream? Why not do all of those things against, say, Germany? That's exactly what I mean by imperialist nations colliding, the private capital having opposed interests.

Russia has no case of exporting money abroad to directly influence the outcome of elections

It tries through hackers though, but yes, not remotely on the scale of the US. I'm not saying "Russia is worse than the US" here, I'm saying that according to Lenin's definition of imperialism, Russia is currently an imperialist state.

Financialization is a feature of capitalism in general

Again, yes, exactly my point, I suggest you read the book I mentioned if you wanna understand what I mean. We agree, we're just hung up in semantics

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It's not semantics when the case is fundamentally different, especially with with your false equivocation.

The U.S. has been gunning for Russia for centuries, you ignore context, and none of this makes Russia imperialist. It's borderline racist to claim that Russia is imperialist.

I'm abiding by Lenin's definition, you aren't, and you project onto me your mindset when you claim that Russia is imperialist for defending it's people from a decades-long siege that is generations old at least.

Your snide acidic neoliberal State Department talking point pontifications are duly noted.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

The U.S. has been gunning for Russia for centuries

Technically one century but sure, I don't deny that the US attitude towards Russia stems from imperialism.

It's borderline racist to claim that Russia is imperialist

"It's borderline to say Russia has reached the final stage of capitalism, with the financialization of the economy and the concentration of capital in the hands of a few oligarchs" I really don't see how it's racist to say that.

when you claim that Russia is imperialist for defending it's people from a decades-long siege that is generations old

Establishing a continuity in "Russia" and the reasons for the US hostility towards it for the past 100+ years is absurd. The reasons why Tsarist Russia was expansionist (although not imperialist since it was barely industrialized), weren't the same as why the USSR invested in military and the US was hostile to it, and aren't the same as to why modern Russia invests in military and why the US is hostile to it.

for defending it's people

And I don't claim that Russia is imperialist because it engages in warfare, that's not my criteria. The USSR engaged in warfare and Afghanistan and it wasn't imperialist, the argument could be made that something relatively similar is happening in Ukraine now. My point as to why it's imperialist is the consolidation of capital in the hands of a few, and the financialization of the economy. The EU is also an empire in this regard. It's harder to say for China given the wide state control over the private companies. I really fail to see how comparing highly developed capitalism in country A with highly developed capitalism in country B is racist of a State Department talking point.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I wouldn't quote the US defense department

It's completely up to you who you want to quote or not quote. But i just want to point out that this community's posts include a wide variety of sources, some of which are western mainstream media (which undoubtedly get most of their talking points from the DOD, CIA and State Department), others are Russian sources, others Chinese, etc., etc. If you want to be informed it is good to draw from as many different sources as possible, even ones that you strongly disagree with ideologically. It is not advisable to live in an information echo chamber, rather you should learn to critically analyze the media you consume taking into account their biases and motivation.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

Fair enough, that's a good perspective. I tend to just ignore lib media propaganda and also ignore russian state apparatus propaganda, but I suppose this is another way to do it

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

According to Russia’s Foreign Intelligence Service (SVR), the US intends to launch a campaign to undermine Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky

Comedy gold.....

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

Combination of statecraft and Google translate makes for an amusing read .

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

more controllable and less corrupt

Pick one

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (3 children)

I don't know if I trust the Russian CIA. At this point it doesn't matter who is the president. The country is in rubbles, US just waits for a convenient excuse to end the war in order to introduce shock therapy 2.0.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

And what better way to make a clean break with the past than by pinning all the failures on Zelensky and pushing him out?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

This just gives me a mental image of an insane ER doctor placing defibrillator pads on a recently deceased person and repeatedly delivering shocks even when the corpse gives no response and only pops up and down from the electrical jolts. The nurses are all crying and yelling that he's gone. The doctor just keeps smirking and pushing the button while the skin sizzles. And the smell...

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

Reminds me of the pilot of Helluva Boss

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

Slava shock therapy 2.0

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

Country known for foreign interventions and overthrowing heads of state is going to overthrow a head of state. Big shock.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

undermine Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky in order to replace him with a more malleable person

More malleable? If he was any more malleable he'd be silly putty. How much more malleable could they want?

Officials stated that Zelensky is engaging in “crazy steps” that threaten escalation “far beyond Ukraine,”

Yeah that seems to be a feature, not a bug of this little program

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

Apparently Biden's dementia-riddled evil mind thinks that 5 blowjobs a day from Zelenskyy isn't enough

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Well yeah they already replaced Zelensky with Zelenskyy, the next leader will be Zelenskyyy.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

Zelensky is like Weyoun from Star Trek: Deep Space Nine. That secret biolab in Ukraine we've heard about must be a cloning facility that keeps pumping out clones of Zelensky on demand.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

That's very anti-Ukrainian of you; it's Elensky now

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Juan Guaido, now's your time to shine!

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

There is nobody with more experience at being president of a wide array of countries!

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

I mean they just supported some new puppet for Venezuela, so Guaido is available now.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (3 children)

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

afaik Gaddafi was never a puppet

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

I could be wrong/misremembering/confabulating but I remember reading that at one point, when Gaddafi was first starting out, the U.S. government may have been ambivalent towards him or started/considered the process of grooming him into an asset, until Gaddafi broke away.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

I love this community - time and again lemmings in here manage to remember all those times the USA has been acting funky and your neighbours next door just forgot about it ~~for some reason~~ due to brainwashing.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

This is just perfect...his expression there is priceless.