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A new survey found that almost 40% of companies posted a fake job listing this year — and 85% of those companies interviewed candidates for fake jobs

Companies said they are posting fake jobs for a laundry list of reasons, including to deceive their own employees.

More than 60% of those surveyed said they posted fake jobs “to make employees believe their workload would be alleviated by new workers.”

Sixty-two percent of companies said another reason for the shady practice is to “have employees feel replaceable.”

Two-thirds of companies cited a desire to “appear the company is open to external talent” and 59% said it was an effort to “collect resumes and keep them on file for a later date.”

What’s even more concerning about the results: 85% of companies engaging in the practice said they interviewed candidates for the fake jobs.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 4 months ago

Yeah, no shit.

Another fun setup are the job postings put up so that a company can interview a bunch of people with no intent to hire them, claim none of the candidates are capable and then use that as evidence for the need for an H1B visa worker who they pay a cut rate salary. Good times.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 months ago

Can't say I'm surprised, but holy fuck these scumbags... THIS is why every job seeker has to submit a billion fuckin applications.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

As I was reading the article it just kept getting worse and worse:

More than 60% of those surveyed said they posted fake jobs “to make employees believe their workload would be alleviated by new workers.”

Sixty-two percent of companies said another reason for the shady practice is to “have employees feel replaceable.”

Two-thirds of companies cited a desire to “appear the company is open to external talent” and 59% said it was an effort to “collect resumes and keep them on file for a later date.”

What’s even more concerning about the results: 85% of companies engaging in the practice said they interviewed candidates for the fake jobs.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

Did OP update their post? Because this post is 99% what OP said in theirs

[–] [email protected] 16 points 4 months ago

It's missing the part where they post jobs just to show they tried to recruit locally before getting someone on a visa (lower wages + high dependency on the company).

[–] [email protected] 18 points 4 months ago

These better be fake, because I'm so unbelievably disgusted at the hundreds of thousands of jobs of all professions at all experience levels offering $17-22/hr.

It's fucking disgusting.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I doubt they do it just to scare employees. It's way too expensive to use this tactic without having any real savings to show.

It's probably more likely that HR is keeping HR busy, because what else are they supposed to do when the company isn't hiring? The explanation that it supposedly keeps employees in check seems like something HR would say to justify their own purpose.

Any (reasonable) CEO would absolutely take thee easy and actual savings of firing the HR instead of paying them to use this unproven pseudo-tactic.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

That was the first thing I thought, people coming up with reasons to keep their own jobs by saying they need to keep making job posts even if they aren't going to hire anyone, and to say that when they are ready to hire they already have applicants

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

It’s probably more likely that HR is keeping HR busy, because what else are they supposed to do when the company isn’t hiring?

I'm not in HR. In my experience there is good HR departments and bad HR departments. In both they were extremely busy all the time. There is a mountain of work HR does that has nothing to do with hiring and firing. Managing employee benefits, compliance with government regulations regarding workplace access, complex rules for reporting, tracking worker complaints and performance improvement plans for workers not meeting expectations.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Is that why I'm having trouble finding a WFH job on Indeed? It's so exhausting to not hear back from these companies.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

It's sofa king exhausting. Craft a cover letter and tweak the resume for each application. And still get crickets.

For the entirety of my engineering career (25+ years), I've been accustomed to getting an offer for every position to which I applied. This time around, something is way off. I'm at 78 applications, despite being a perfect fit for almost all of those applications. There have been only two responses, and those were for interviews, still in progress. The fake listings makes a lot sense, but I can't help but feel that the problem is way larger than this article indicates.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

Whether the cover letter or resume sucks, it'd just be nice if companies can just give you a chance.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Employers must consistently make employees think that there is a reserve army of labor waiting to take their jobs, that way the employees will tolerate more abuse and will fear asking for more from their employers.

It is the same reason why the corporations fight against the implementation of social services, why "benefits" like healthcare are tied to work, and why the social services that do exist come with a work requirement.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 months ago

They don't want the unemployment rate to get too low

[–] [email protected] 25 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Yeah I observed something similar.

Applied to a job position, got "sorry we already filled that position" back, three weeks later the job position was still listed as open.

(Yes I did fulfill the formal requirements. No I don't think they were just nicely saying "nope")

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago

I've been promoted and the company still had to post the job publicly for a couple weeks to satisfy internal protocol. It's insanity.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago

I'm wondering if it's why I don't get so much as a rejection email for many of the jobs I've applied for. It always feels like submitting an application is just tossing it into the void but this study seems to corroborate that.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago

I’ve had so many of these, or they just send a cancellation email 5 minutes before the meeting and never contact again

[–] [email protected] -5 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

It's probably more nuanced than the research can show. At my work, we had a job posting and interviews and selected candidates but the job description was written long before and the management wanted a different skill set (needed more Azure experience) and so basically that job posting never came to be. It's still being reworked and maybe it'll actually produce an FTE but it's a fake job posting that wasn't meant to be.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Nuanced? That sounds like your HR/Management is just bad at their jobs. Why post an advert for a job that you won't fill because it's the wrong job, then actually interview people? That's a huge waste of everyone's time.

The first step when a role is open is to have the team review and update the job for the necessary skillset. Not doing that is a buisness process failure.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago

This is similar to when contracts go "up for bid" but they are really just going through the motions in order to appease regulators or investors. We stopped bidding on stuff years ago because of this.

[–] [email protected] 129 points 4 months ago (2 children)

This should be illegal. It's basically scamming people into giving their personal information, a very sensitive ones.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 4 months ago

and their time and stress. job hunting is awful

[–] [email protected] 21 points 4 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 36 points 4 months ago (1 children)

We had a case not too long ago where someone "recruiting" for one of the GAFAM who was stealing PII by "accepting" applicants, getting their IDs and personal info for supposed employment, and when these people showed up for work, the real company had never heard of them. I think they got 30 people last time.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago

Well that’s a whole other can of worms.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 4 months ago

I had multiple interviews with a company and was told they went so well they stopped interviewing other candidates. The interviews did go quite well. Then they hired internally.

It was a bullshit short term contract anyway, but that's the best interview I've had in 3 months of searching. I don't know if that counts as a "fake" job, but it was a huge waste of everyone's time.

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