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They're not the brightest... (lemmy.world)

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[+] [email protected] -8 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Communism is when you get your work done, the output goes to the good of the group. It’s taken by the centralized power, then redistributed.

Capitalism is when you get your work done, you choose to sell or keep the output. Under capitalism, the scenario where someone else owns your work can only happen with your consent. It’s called “contracts”, and the consensual nature of contracts is why it’s called a “free market”.

So, to summarize:

work, have product taken by boss = communism
work, have product purchased by boss = capitalism

Any questions?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

I'm not sure I would call it consentual when you are strongarmed into a shitty contract because the other option is starving to death.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago

Ok buddy

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Check out Marcuse's 1969 "Essay on Liberation":
"By virtue of its basic position in the production process, by virtue of its numerical weight and the weight of exploitation, the working class is still the historical agent of revolution; by virtue of its sharing the stabilizing needs of the system, it has become a conservative, even counterrevolutionary force. [...] In the advanced capitalist countries, the radicalization of the working classes is counteracted by a socially engineered arrest of consciousness, and by the development and satisfaction of needs which perpetuate the servitude of the exploited. A vested interest in the existing system is thus fostered in the instinctual structure of the exploited, and the rupture with the continuum of repression - a necessary precondition of liberation - does not occur."

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

https://www.marcuse.org/herbert/publications/1960s/1969-essay-on-liberation.html

Thanks for the recommendation!

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

i like to think of the economic trifecta as a triangle.

People often tend to conflate communism and socialism down into one plane, but i don't think they're similar enough, socialism is more inverse to communism than anything. It's also more closely related to capitalism than communism (the modern western conceptualization of socialism at least)

to put it bluntly, communism is a subset of socialism.

[+] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

i'm not wrong? socialism and communism are often more similar to eachother than capitalism, in the sense that they tend not to like private capital, but modern socialism is more like capitalism if it thought private capital should be collective capital instead, given how entities corpos, and businesses tend to work.

Communism as people tend to refer to is the usual USSR type beat shit or mao's china, modern china is more akin to authoritarian capitalism than it is communism, even though they claim to be communist. Even so called "socialist european countries" tend to be capitalism but without private healthcare and education most of the time.

you must not be very familiar with the concepts of ideological frameworks.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 months ago

I'm a simple man. I simply just hate my life and the difficulty to live it comfortably

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