Is the West prepared for what's to come when Putin finally hardens his heart?
this post was submitted on 22 Mar 2024
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From what we've seen so far, Russia doesn't really respond to provocations. I expect they may do some high level assassinations in Ukraine to make a point, but otherwise I predict that they're just going to keep methodically grinding down Ukrainian army until it collapses. I do think that any chance of negotiations with the current regime are gone now though.
I think this is exactly the plan. Biden needs Europe to be at war to trigger a mass exodus of (mostly) white Europeans fleeing war and poverty to America to make the dream of the Fourth Reich possible. The purging of Chinese students, academics and immigrants cannot possibly be done without them being replaced by another group of immigrants at the same time.
I mean no offense to the people who think that Trump is someone who can turn America into a full-blown white supremacist state, but they’re dead wrong. Without the ruthlessness of Biden, Trump could never get it off the ground in a million years.
Without the ruthlessness of Biden, Trump could never get it off the ground in a million years.
This. If Republicans tried to do it the opposition from the population would be too much. It takes a Democrat administration to get the masses to consent to fascism. Democrats are experts at demobilizing popular resistance movements.
The news is saying ISIS. No one's buying it.
Isis is an American/ Israeli asset and no this isn't just theory:
You mean the Russian news or western news? Wouldn't Russian news just say it is Ukraine? (And wouldn't it almost certainly be related to the Ukraine war?)
Various public figures have already blamed Ukraine, before the cops even cleared the building and did a body count nevermind apprehending any suspects. Sickening stuff tbh
If it's Ukraine and it probably is, I hope Russia doesn't hold back in the upcoming days, NOT ONE A BIT...
I also hope it helps destroy America's favorite little ethnofascist state in the ME. But no hope there, Putin is actually very timid compared to his image in the west.
If Medvedev was the president currently, Ukraine wouldn't exist as a country at this point.
actually very timid
While I despise the Nazis in Ukraine, and I don't want to flatter Putin, I'm personally hoping his unwillingness to fight wars like the US does at the very least comes from some place of being rational and not criminally insane. Wars shouldn't play out like the Iraq war.
What lesson would that send to the west then other than to up the terror campaign and violence? Why does the west always get to up the ante and escalate? Why should other people always be the sane ones whereas the west always gets to do whatever it likes with the threat of greater violence looming over people's heads? I don't want Ukrainians to suffer, but at least just give Syria/ Lebanon some s300s, or send an aid convoy to Gaza to call Israel's bluff. There should be consequences to mass murdering people.
I hope Putin comes down hard on Ukraine's government, and those associated with it, but our government targeted infrastructure in Iraq; lots of people died because of lack of electricity and water and sewage processing plants. There should absolutely be consequences for mass murdering people, but I will agree with you that the better thing for Russia to do would be to better arm Syria and Lebanon.
I'm not saying Putin shouldn't retaliate, I just hope his choice doesn't target places that would be disastrous to civilians. Ironically I'd argue that if Putin fought this war like the US does, then most likely the Ukrainian people would demand that their government actually cooperate with Russia to bring the war to an end, but I just can't agree with harmful acts towards civilians to bring it about.
Also honestly Western countries don't care about the lives of civilians in Ukraine, and they definitely don't care about the lives of people in the middle east. I think perhaps the better option, and frankly with the best outcome, is to try and convince as many countries in the global South to cut ties with Western countries and reduce majorly their sale of oil to them, and especially preferably during winter to see if maybe that sends a message.
Yeah, I am not disagreeing with you to be honest. We are on the same side and I am replying out of emotion after witnessing a genocide for the past 6 months. Merely going after those responsible won't be enough of a warning and the west will just find new stooges. Some balance of power has to change. They have to take a big L somewhere and I hope for one, it is in Gaza. It is precisely because they don't care about Ukrainians that something consequential has to happen and my bias is that it happens to Israel.
Agreed. It's well past time the west was reminded what MAD really means- that their leaders are putting their lives on the line, and that of all of humanity as well.
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