Explain how we'd get around with cars. Is the realistic expectation that every city is supposed to be redesigned overnight and public transportation every inch of the city.
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Overnight? No. Within 5 years? Yes.
Buddy, you are extremely out of touch if you think that's realistic.
The alternative is human extinction. And that may be more realistic, but if there's any chance of survival, it has to come from hope.
Bro you really need to get off the computer for awhile
I'm literally an environmental scientist.
People in this thread thinking this is a serious policy proposal 🤣
The automobiles, parking and highways vicious cycle has proven to be an indictment of capitalism and the corruption of the US. i don't think going electric for all our cas is going to be enough, and were seeing climate migration not only to the US but northward within the US.
The movie Mad Max (and its sequels) was inspired by somone observing car obsession tendencies among Australians and positing how fuel would be prioritized above its utility. Our obsession is worse here in the States, and for our love of cars and failure to change for sake of the world may see a similar apocalypse, though with fewer working vehicles and a lot more cannibalism.
I hope I'm wrong, of couse.
I completely agree but that doesn’t make immediately banning all cars a reasonable proposal. My assumption was that the meme was intended to spark discussion, which it certainly has. Though it sounds like OP is a little more serious than I thought.
I seriously think petrol cars should be 100% banned by 2028, and that it should be illegal for petrol stations to operate.
How would people who live in suburbs or rural areas do anything? Many Americans live in these areas. I'm serious what is the plan for all of them?
America wasn't built for public travel unfortunately.
America used to have these things called streetcar suburbs, and they're awesome. The entire suburb is built around a tram station, it's walking distance from everyone and it goes on to the nearby suburbs and eventually the city. Modern zoning laws make streetcar suburbs illegal to build, but a few of them still exist, and people love living in them. The rent prices in streetcar suburbs have been raised greatly due to the high demand. If we started building streetcar suburbs instead of car suburbs, everyone would be able to afford to live in one. They're also cheaper to build in terms of land, plumbing, and utilities. The road upkeep is cheaper and the people in them are happier.
So essentially buses. That works if you live within a few miles of your destination city. But things are so spread out nowadays that there's just no way that you could have a single system of buses or streetcar. Whatever to make use of everybody's time.
I grew up in suburban America where even on bike it would take me 20 minutes to get to the nearest urban development or business. Let alone trying to get to the nearest city. And now with everybody so spread apart of where they work and how they get there. There's just no feasible way to make the system for everybody.
People used to live within a few miles of where they worked, but nowadays everything has been built for cars and to undo that would be an almost impossible effort
We need to bulldoze places like where you grew up and build sustainable developments.
A very reasonable and realistic option.
The opposite happened already. Communities were bulldozed to build highways.
And what of people that live out in the country, far from a city? Not walkable or bikeable. Building public transport there is not viable. Cars with sustainable fuel sources are the far better solution.
This comm is literally called fuckcars
Which explains the irrational opinions such as OP’s
Eh. I don’t hate cars. I just want better infrastructure for all street users. Everyone is capable of acting like a complete asshole using the public right of way. Think of the worst shithead that cut you off on the freeway. Now imagine that same shithead doing the same to a pedestrian or cyclist? It’s really fucking dangerous. All you have to do is google ‘pedestrian hit and run’ to see that we have a huge fucking problem on our hands. Ban all cars? No! Ban private vehicles where pedestrians, cyclists , and transit riders are? Yes! That way people don’t need to fucking die. Some people don’t need to drive. I’m sure we’ve all mumbled that under our breath after nearly getting wrecked by some dipshit that had no business driving to begin with.
I hate to be the one to break this to you, but people travelled in the country before cars were invented
Yea, and it took 80 years and three generations to get to your destination.
That's not true.
It depends how far back you want to go, but it absolutely was true.
Ignoring that fact, everything is designed around car transportation. You can't just kill that off in any reasonable amount of time with a different solution. You're talking no less than 50+ years if that is the main focus, ignoring all of the other much more significant issues. Rails don't just pop-up. Rural living residents and small townships aren't just gonna up and leave. Cars are here to stay, the best you can hope for is better public transport, some functional rails, and realistically, more efficient vehicles. Welcome to reality.
If that's true, and it's going to take 50+ years, shouldn't we start, like, now?
Nearly every single small town was built on a backbone of rail. They could at the very least put back what was stolen.
Rail used for freight. Do you think people were taking the train to the grocery store or the doctor’s office? Not to mention, that’s still in the city. There are people that live many miles away from the nearest public infrastructure, outside of roads and electricity.
Then there’s the dilemma of being at the mercy of the train schedule. 1 to 2 stops a day. It’s not like public transport in metropolitan areas where there are many stops a day.
Back then, they were walking to the general store or the doctor's office if they lived in town, and they were riding their horse if they were a farmer living out in the fields. Today, we have such inventions as bicycles and paved roads to replace horses. The future is now!
Have you ever even been to a rural area? Based on your comments it seriously does not seem like it.
Yes, I have. And being an australian, our rural areas are a lot more rural than the rural areas most of these americans are from. Now I'll tell you a secret: There's a good reason australia was mostly empty before colonisation, and there's a very common sense reason why australia's environment has been dying ever since then.
Dude... Australia is still fucking empty. The majority of you live in cities, and not rural. The majority of you live on the coast. The majority of Americans do not live near a city, most of us a miles and miles from one.
Four out of five Americans (80%) live in an urbanized area according to the Census Bureau. Only 20% of us live in rural areas. That shifted slightly toward rural in the 2020 census (it was 80.7% urban in 2010), because the Bureau revised the cutoff for urban area upward from 2,500 to 5,000 people. A large proportion of that "rural" 20% live in towns of up to 5,000 residents. The number of people who truly live miles from anybody else is quite small.
It is estimated that 83% of the U.S. population lives in urban areas
Roughly 80 percent of Americans live in urban areas, according to the U.S. Census Bureau
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urbanization_in_the_United_States
In 1790, only about one out of every twenty Americans (on average) lived in urban areas (cities), but this ratio had dramatically changed to one out of four by 1870, one out of two by 1920, two out of three in the 1960s, and four out of five in the 2000s.
Y'ALL ARE CITY FOLK.
Nah, we should make life more liveable without cars. Cars in themselves aren’t bad, but our over-dependency on them is.