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109 devices per capita? I just walked through the house looking at what my partner and I have that plugs in. We don’t have 109 together. And it isn’t like I we don’t have stuff. Mesh wifi routers, camping gear. Heck we even have a refrigerator. What do people collect?
"average person has 109 devices" factoid actualy just statistical error. average person has 40 devices. Computers Georg, who lives in cave & has 10,000, is an outlier adn should not have been counted
Some people change phones every year, or more often than that, then there's all the coffee makers, small electronics nobody thinks about (watches, radios), computers and laptops, tvs, speakers, smart lights, kitchen tools, cars, anything digital (like calipers), power tools... Depending on what you count, it could add up to ridiculous numbers for some, skewing the average
I think the increase of so called "ewaste" after windows 10 eol next year will be huge.
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Don’t look into that recycling either. It’s just arbitrage all the way to the acid vat man.
The most fucked up part is that, if I could, I'd happily take in some of that trash to repair and recirculate it, but corporations make that as difficult as possible so as to not hurt their profits.
Shout-out to framework laptops for repairable, upgradeable, and reusable components.
Parts are expensive and profit margins are thin. What's stopping us from buying parts on eBay and reselling those phones for profit? You pretty much end up with the cost of the phone to repair the phone.
Anecdotal but in my career in corporate this has been the order of operations
- Employees get any old equipment free if asked
- Employees can pay for any old equipment if asked at a reduced cost
- Employees can't get any old equipment
The reason was they company wasn't getting any benefit to give away the equipment. Then it was too much of a hassle to write paperwork for the sales which are then used to write down refreshes. Then they just blanket sold to another company which as an employee you then have to engage but with no discounts.
These big businesses make money hands over feet but god forbid they let Joe Employee keep his old laptop for his kid as an unofficial perk of working there.
And I'd happily keep my current phone if it had security updates, but those ended a few months ago so I'll be throwing out a perfectly good device.
I'm getting a Pixel for my next phone so I can get 7 years of updates, so I'm trying, but it just sucks that perfectly good hardware gets thrown out just because the manufacturer either blocks repairs or stops supporting it...
Can we just roll it all up in a big ball and shoot it into space on a rocket? That worked great in Futurama… 😉
Super expensive. Better to just burn it in low income communities. /s
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E-waste will continue to be a problem until companies are forced to make products that are designed to be repaired and upgraded without replacing them.
We have certification for safety and compliance, why not one that guarantees that an electronic product can be fully repaired by the end user using readily available (and affordable!) parts? It can be on a scale from 1 to 10, and the less repairable the item, the more restricted its distribution should be.
Every laptop should be made like a Framework laptop; every phone like a Fairphone. Every electronic product should certified to have long life.
Hardware is not even the biggest issue imho. Software/firmware is even much worse. How is it possible to sell a phone that does not even get updates for 5 years. And why is Fairphone, Google Pixel and iPhone standing out with only 5 ish years.
Luckily the EU is currently working on that.
I had an iPad I won from work and Apple successfully turned it into a paperweight. I had to do these convoluted things just to get apps installed, because the app store refused to install them on an old device. Apple and it's walled garden are very much to blame, Steve Jobs perfected modern day planned obsolescence and the company does everything it can to ensure even small failures require a device replacement.
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The new Pixel is 7 years, which really should be the norm.
I'd really rather use a Linux phone, but a mix of closed modems and other non-technical issues are causing headaches. But theoretically, support on those devices could be indefinite because I could patch it myself if needed.
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IMO its fine for vendors to abandon their products but they should be required to release all technical documentation and software used with the device into the public domain so enthusiasts can continue where companies stopped.
Exactly. Right to Repair should include software and whatnot, not just parts and schematics.
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Fair point re: software. Part of manufacturing products that don't need to be thrown away would entail longer software support, naturally.
But realistically, software was never an issue 15+ years ago, when your toaster and microwave weren't connected to the internet and your fridge didn't have a large tablet interface.
I think we would all do better by having a few more "dumb, but immortal" products in our lives.
Exactly.
Why can't I buy a decent dumb TV? I get that people want smart TVs, but surely there's a decent market for people who really don't need those features and would be happier with a simpler product. I'm absolutely part of that market, and I'm sure there are others.
I generally prefer simpler devices, and it was difficult buying a fridge with decent longevity (i.e. limited smart crap, ice maker in the freezer instead of fridge, etc). That's becoming more and more difficult, and large appliances have shorter and shorter lifespans (I had my compressor die twice in <10 years in my LG fridge... fridges used to last 15+ years).
I generally prefer simpler devices, and it was difficult buying a fridge with decent longevity (i.e. limited smart crap, ice maker in the freezer instead of fridge, etc). That’s becoming more and more difficult, and large appliances have shorter and shorter lifespans (I had my compressor die twice in <10 years in my LG fridge… fridges used to last 15+ years).
I should say that my current fridge is 27 years old and has NEVER had a problem (other than over-stuffed crisper drawers being broken).
I was reading that the average life for a fridge is 10-15 years, and I can't honestly believe they are being made so poorly these days. They are such simple appliances, and I dread the day when I have to replace this one for a modern version.
But I'd love for my next TV to be a dumb TV. All the features my LG tv has just gets in the way of using it. LOL
Yeah, after some research, LG in general is the worst, especially with their linear compressor. It failed after 2-3 years (under warranty), and failed again after 4-5 more years. We didn't bother fixing it again, since the repair people said it'd cost $600+ assuming the part is under warranty, and probably wouldn't last much longer anyway. Samsung is apparently similarly bad, but with different components. I liked this video, which goes over which fridge to get, and other resources say something similar: LG and Samsung are piles of crap (they're super fancy though), Whirlpool and GE are better if you avoid fancy features, and everything kind of sucks.
We went with Whirlpool this time, but everything I've read says the expected lifetime is still just 10-years. I don't want fancy features, I just want it to keep things cold, and I'd rather pay someone to fix it than replace it...
All the features my LG tv has just gets in the way of using it
Same. I have a Samsung "dumb" TV (~40", 1080p) from ~10 years ago and it's fine, and I have an LG "smart" TV (~55", 4k) from 5-ish years ago, which can be a pain to use and I'd prefer to just have a "dumb" TV instead. I even use the "smart" features sometimes, but they're slow and I'd get a much better experience with a small PC hooked up to it instead.
But it's incredibly hard to find non-smart TVs. There's a handful of "hospitality" TVs, but they're usually lower resolution, don't have nice features like OLED, and size seems to cap out around 40" at the biggest (most are 32"). I don't want any of the AI fixing crap, apps, etc, just give me a bunch of HDMI ports (ideally DisplayPort as well) and a decent picture.
I remember watching a recent program (one of those investigative consumer news shows), and I remember the LG problem you mentioned. A ton of people had an issue with that compressor, and LG just kept selling the damn things. Knock on wood, our LG washer and drier, and TV have been very reliable.
I’d get a much better experience with a small PC hooked up to it instead
That's what I do these days. Combined with media I have on my NAS, I don't need other "apps" or garbage nonsense on my TV. If only they made 60" computer monitors. LOL
LG just kept selling the damn things. Knock on wood, our LG washer and drier, and TV have been very reliable.
Apparently it's just their refrigerators that suck, just like with Samsung.
We have an LG washing machine and dryer, and other than one repair that I handled myself (logic board failure, so $150-200 repair), it has been solid. I also have an LG TV, and aside from the smart crap, it works pretty well (have had for >7 years now).
Combined with media I have on my NAS
The one feature I like about the smart TV is support for DLNA, which means I can stream video directly to it from my NAS. I have ripped many of our DVDs to the NAS so I don't need to go fiddle with disks to watch something. My Blu-ray player supports DLNA as well, so I don't really need the TV to support it, but it is somewhat convenient.
The one feature I like about the smart TV is support for DLNA
Yes, a nice feature that even early "smart" TVs had. It could have stopped at that and everyone would have been happy.
But today's smart TV's loaded with ads; unnecessary bloat; “shortcuts” to services you have no intention of ever using; massive user tracking; and complicated firmware/software that can render your TV useless, have become the real problems. It's the enshittification of hardware that really was just fine being "dumb".
Yup. I may end up getting a projector because the TV space has too much nonsense.
Just make sure it's not a "smart" projector! LOL
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Ironically the same stuck up bitches who are always virtue-posting about how green they are, (make damn sure the waiter knows they don't want a straw in their drink, etc.) are the same people who insist on yearly Apple flagship refreshes so they get social affirmation.
Wireless earbuds are trash and part of the problem, like wireless mouses. Stop putting irremovable batteries in things that don't need batteries, its basically just planned obselecence on shinier more expensive goods. The last thing I want is to spend money on is good quality audio equipment that has a necessary end of life date due to charge cycles. These days you can scarcely find good headphones that arent wireless.
You convince anyone to take away my wireless earbuds and I'll hunt you down.
Ok no but a wireless mouse is so much better, rechargeable batteries are the way
Even rechargable batteries have a limit, if you cant swap the battery as a user it's part of the ewaste problem. It's also a lot more power consumption for somthing that stays in a stationary space reletive to the computer or laptop.
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They should just burn all the waste. It works for spacex and starlink.
Sure, and pump millions of tons of emissions into the atmosphere while we're at it. Surrrrrrrrrrrrrrre. 🙄
Apple: No no no, it's fine! Keep buying a brand new phone every 2 years! Oh, you don't want to? Well, we'll make them irreparable, lock down the software so that you can't revive it or reuse it in any way, claim it's for "security", and make sure that repairing it costs as much as a new phone.
But believe us, we're the good guys and are doing our best to be sustainable 😉
Graphics card manufacturers: listen up, that graphics card you bought just a few months ago is already outdated. Never mind that it could be full speed, but we artificially gimped it in hardware and software to sell more units. Responsibility to handle the trash you say? Lol, that'd cost money! Let your government ship them to a third-world country and dump it in a slum.
Btw, we're sustainable, and don't you forget it!
appliance manufacturers: Repairability is for chumps. We need those fat stacks! The day your warranty ends, your device breaks 😘 Planned obsolesce baby! Buy a new appliance you bloody consumer.
IoT manufacturers: Who, us? No, we don't exist. Look over there. Nothing to see here.
And so on and so forth.
- #opensourceAfterDeprecation : you deprecate or stop supporting a device? nice, now release all the source code, designs, and schemata to the public
- #greenTax : a tax is levied for the estimated impact to the environment your device has
- #recycleByDesign : all your devices need to have a planned recycling route and if somebody else has to figure it out, you pay a nice tax
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