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Instead of leaving Xitter, they left Mastodon. Proton's trend is not inspiring confidence and this feels like another step backwards.

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 day ago (11 children)

It's as if with each passing day, Proton wakes up and chooses to wear a slightly different red flag for a cape than the one they wore yesterday. I'm obviously being hyperbolic here, but I'm also a bit upset with myself for having decided to get an annual subscription with them last November.

I've heard good things about Mullvad for VPN and Tuta for mail. I've got my own domain that I can start using with whatever mail host I land on.

I'm in the U.S. What other mail providers are people using, and what other VPN providers should I be considering?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 23 hours ago

I've used Mullvad VPN for almost a year and it's amazing. I only switched to Proton because I use all their services.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago

I believe I'll need to move to mailbox.org with custom domains.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago

so the social media manager has time to clean the toilets in the afternoon

[–] [email protected] 59 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Looks like I'm leaving Proton. Fucking hell, not even a year ago I migrated from Gmail

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 day ago (7 children)

If you're looking to shake up your email provider in the wake of this, I highly recommend getting a custom domain name, whatever provider you choose. Cloudflare sells domains at cost. Get a not-embarrasing .com of your own, and then you can move email providers in future without losing continuity. Proton allows exporting .eml files, which you can then import into your next provider. Or just keep in cold storage and declare email bankruptcy. Once you have a custom domain, you can use unique emails for all your services by setting up a catchall address. This will at least impede credential stuffing attacks, and let you know who sold/leaked your address if you do get spam.

I personally left Proton a month or so ago after the last bit of drama, in part out of principle, but also because their offering is just really expensive for my use case: I just want email, on a budget, with reasonable privacy. Plus I was tired of not having IMAP support and being locked into their clients. Moved to a Zoho business account (for now) and have been happy for the $12/yr. I already had a domain name, but they typically run <$20/year too.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Anyone know any good vpn alternatives with port forwarding?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

AirVPN is a popular choice

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

I'll second this. While it doesn't have a track record like mullvad, it doesn't have a bad track record so far and I have not had any problems with it since buying.

[–] [email protected] 78 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

I was an apologist for Proton during the whole Andy Yen commentary mess, but this is a really sus choice for Proton to be making.

All that matters under capitalism is growth. I wonder if the thinking here is that Proton has already captured all the geek/privacy enthusiast crowd that it's going to, and Andy Yen's social fuck-up basically killed any future expansion in that space, so this is part of a pivot to new markets and abandonment of areas they know they aren't going to win back.

If so, I'd expect to see Proton making expanded ad buys targeting preppers, libertarians, sov-cit types and other "I'm being watched!!" kooks.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 day ago

Same. I’ll be shopping around for something else when my sub comes up.

[–] [email protected] 49 points 1 day ago

They're focusing on platforms that allow them to censor discussion.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

Just another nail in the coffin that hopefully convinces those who thought Proton was maybe still okay after CEO licking Trumps toes.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago

Yeah fuck proton

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago

I can see a company not wanting to invest resources in a social media platform without critical mass. But for a company that itself is trying to gain critical mass, moving away from a similarly situated privacy focused platform is idiotic. It signals to potential Proton users that the company cannot be trusted and it’s very hard to recover from that.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Your options are mostly Proton, or Tuta. One is located in a country that's part of the 14 Eyes, and who just had an election where the far-right party just won the most amount of votes.

EDIT: THE ABOVE INFORMATION IS WRONG, IN THAT THE AFD CAME IN SECOND PLACE, NOT FIRST.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Uh while i dont disagree completely... most votes is for cdu (riding the strongman train hard these days)- that would be right wing dems by US-standards . Most votes for NSDAP (read:afd) since 1933 however.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

You are absolutely right, I looked at the graphic wrong. Thank you for correcting me.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 day ago

Follow us on Reddit

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

Man. Right when I was about to buy into the ecosystem and get away from google.

[edit]: slightly less worried after reading this: https://lemm.ee/post/55314225

[–] [email protected] 97 points 1 day ago

On Mastodon, Proton is held to a higher standard. That’s why they left for the dumb masses instead.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 day ago

Funny how they didn’t make actual post on Mastodon, but just silently edited their profile to say they left Mastodon? That’s pretty cowardly.

Yet another reason to not like Proton.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

Only thing keeping me from leaving is the low price I'm paying for proton unlimited.

[–] [email protected] 45 points 1 day ago (5 children)

I've been giving them the benefit of the doubt, but I'm kinda done with them. Anyone have any suggestions for a mail provider? I'm not yet willing to self-host that.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I've been happy with mailbox.org. I left proton after the boot licking. I had been a paying customer for years.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago

I just signed up for mailbox.org, let's see how this goes

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago

Good bye privacy.

[–] [email protected] 169 points 1 day ago (4 children)

"limited resources" wtf? just copy and paste the content. I guess they didn't like the backslash on Mastodon because of the CEO and Trump bootlicker Andy Yen

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

It’s the age of stinginess

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 day ago

Yeah not even copy paste, this has been easily automatable for years.

[–] [email protected] 49 points 1 day ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (2 children)

Oh yeah that’s prob it. On Reddit they can delete any negative comments

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[–] [email protected] 81 points 1 day ago

This is even more ridiculous given they have a bluesky account and all they need to do is follow the bridge and their content will be ported to mastodon. Literally 5 seconds.

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