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Mutual aid spam is becoming a problem on the Fediverse.

And to be sure, I'm not against mutual aid. What I am against is spam.

This person has not verified who she is -- or even if the profile picture is hers. Additional research on her name states she is a scammer with a record of grifting. I am therefore skeptical that any donations will help anyone in need.

Folks, please be cautious with mutual aid requests. Yes, people sometimes need help. But people also lie.

@[email protected]

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[–] [email protected] 59 points 1 day ago

@atomicpoet @fediverse I'm glad someone brought this up. I basically assume all mutual aid posts are fraudulent unless strictly verifiable.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

People do solicit donations, as on just about every public forum. I really wouldn't call it a problem on lemmy at this point, but a rule against it except in communities where it's encouraged wouldn't be a terrible idea. Somebody who is interested in doing it could start a Please Help community specifically for these requests, requiring some form of verification. Seems like running it could turn into a lot of work tho.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 day ago

There is an entire sub on here somewhere that is only for mutual aid. The sob stories in there are batshit crazy.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 1 day ago (2 children)

How is this mutual aid spam? This is by definition not mutual. It's begging.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Mutual aid is a common term for people in a group helping each other. It doesn't imply reciprocal transactions. But by all means, let's ignore the topic and pick apart the exact wording.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's not ignoring the topic. Mutual aid is an organized operation. Literally says it the link. This is not mutual aid. The topic is about "mutual aid spam" which this is not at all an example of "mutual aid". This is just begging or panhandling or scamming.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

They might not have known what mutual aid is and you explained it very well with the first two sentences. The last sentence doesn't serve any useful purpose if they didn't know.

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[–] [email protected] 74 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Yeah, mutual aid works on the local level or in insular communities like long-term discord groups with a tight group of regular members. With community mutual aid, I'm generally in favor of just taking people at their word. If they say they need help, give them help. No need to interrogate them like the food stamp office will. You prevent people from abusing the system by simply not granting endless requests from the same person. Or if someone needs severe aid, at that point you can start actually verifying their story, helping them access government benefits, helping them find employment, etc.

But that kind of open approach works for in-person aid. It doesn't work for anonymous online aid, where someone can use bots to spin up hundreds of convincing profiles each begging for money.

I just don't think mutual aid works well in an online context. The only online context it works in is among communities like small discord groups where people know each other for years. But on a lemmy or mastadon-type service? Mutual aid is impractical. Any people asking for aid should be directed to local groups that can help them in person.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 day ago

I see a lot of teenagers falling for the “I’m a Gazan and need help getting out.” accounts too.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago

I agree, and I believe that tapping in to and participating in local networks and groups whether they be fully or partially online and/or in person is beneficial for both ones self and ones community. It seems to me it will be these networks that make much of the difference between survival of large populations and large scale disasters. Community organizing is so important.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Isn't asthma medication pretty cheap and long lasting? From what little I know an inhaler can last many months. Also if they can't afford that, surely they have state medical insurance to help with it? Just seems so scammy.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

my inhaler is $70 per month with insurance. though it's a bit different from an albuterol inhaler, mine is a dry powder steroid thing, and it has a VERY short 30 day shelf life once opened.

was $10 last year with insurance, but of course that shit changes every year..

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

Wow that's awful.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

depends on how often you have to use it. also, most states won't give you insurance if you aren't below the poverty level. if you have a full-time job, even if you're barely making it paycheck to paycheck, you're probably ineligible for medicaid.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Also if they can’t afford that, surely they have state medical insurance

Ha! No, depending on the state, there are tons of barriers, means-testing, work requirements, mandated classes they might not be able to attend (due to childcare/lack of transportation), etc.

Even after the ACA, ER visits are still all the healthcare many people get.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago

Was that a PM or a post?

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 day ago

@fediverse @atomicpoet Yep! Majority of them are questionable, even those who claim they were "manually" verified by some supposedly "well-known" person. Even in the ATmosphere network, it's the same.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

@[email protected] No, this account is specifically from Akkoma. I have also submitted posts from my Pixelfed account.

I can submit a post to Lemmy by mentioning the community handle in my post. Such is the magic of the Fediverse.

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