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[–] [email protected] 44 points 6 hours ago (4 children)

“Our nation is a nation of immigrants. More than any other country, our strength comes from our own immigrant heritage and our capacity to welcome those from other lands." -Ronald Reagan

It's ridiculous how far right the USA has moved when it comes to immigration. Reagan was a scumbag overall but was right about this. Frankly it pisses me off that even the Democrats are so far right on this.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

We're a nation of immigrants and we should cherish that. But at the same time you have to defend the borders. I don't know why this is so controversial.

Again, Republicans have a moronic idea with building walls, but Democrats have no ideas at all and even refuse to acknowledge the problem.

It's the same shit on so many issues.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 15 minutes ago

I can’t help but notice you used the word “defend,” as if you’re talking about the military holding off an enemy advance rather than a policy of not letting desperate poor people move here.

Of course in the conservative world, that’s exactly the thought process. Dehumanization and bigotry are the first step of many policies there.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

Dems, Rebubs as individuals aren't really anything other than drones that follow orders on what to think and what to get angry about. It's a systemic issue where money is injected into the fringes to piss the other side off and force a defensive posture and eventually conflict from fear.

Every idea that categorizes into left/right needs to be challenged at this point.
The left will never prevail
The right will never prevail

We must recognize and respond to what is really happening.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 hours ago

All Empires are running immigration. Immigrants come to where the money is being spent. This isn't even just American history.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

Of course Reagan meant [white] immigrants.

It's ridiculous how far right the USA has moved when it comes to immigration.

Agreed, and I think maybe we should remove the plaque from the Statue of Liberty as it clearly no longer applies.

"Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago

Clearly they aren't sending their best.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Reagan was an idiot about a lot of things. His policies were often at odds with his rhetoric which was quite progressive for its time and place. If you listened to him though, he was not openly hostile to immigration. Neither him nor H.W. where on the scale of today's right.

https://youtu.be/YsmgPp_nlok

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago

Woah your saying the right is suddenly anti-immigration now? That is really nonsensical and ignores a lot of history.